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Ok, Belle leaves IMMEDIATELY after the Beast yells at her. Girl did not stay and try to fix him. She's a bookworm, not a therapist.
@CMM thanks.You are the only that can understand.The people now don't want love, don't want help others.There is a problem? Ok, go to doctor.The mind ISN'T a broken leg.And you need an help (not medical) even with a broken leg.Why must be different with the mind????
@IMayOrMayHaveNot Love how well you responded - and glad somebody else brought up Enchanted Christmas. In the flashback scene of turning away the woman there, Adam is fully grown, not an 11-year-old. So Enchanted Christmas, if accepted as canon, visually confirms that however the magic timing under the curse worked, Adam wasn't a child when it happened. Full stop, evidence of my own eyes. 😅Not that it matters, as you say, kids can be horrible people who must take the consequences of their actions just as adults. As a secondary school teacher, I have put 11-year-olds in detention or isolation for their bad behaviour; I have known students to be suspended or expelled. If you can't behave around people properly, you aren't permitted to be around them until you learn better. The enchantress' curse is literally just the dramatically visual fairy-tale version of being expelled from school or getting a restraining order as an adult. No excuses need to be made for her; Adam needed the discipline and she did the right thing. It wasn't remotely excessive.
@Mikichan85 This is one of the BEST comments I've read on this channel. Therapists can't and shouldn't be expected to 'fix everything', and the current 'coolness' of therapy worries me that people may be influence into asking more of therapists than they can give or putting impossible burdens on the therapists. Being a trained professional can't help you to give a person the healing of love, only professional help. Only the people who love you can give love but not professional help. No one can do everything, but everyone can do SOMETHING when another person needs help to 'fix' themselves.
@TherealRNO I'm sorry, but you only become a queen by ascending the throne, either by your parents passing the throne to you or marrying a king. You could become queen at age six if your parents both died, or not until your 70s like our current monarch in the UK. Princess Anne did not become a queen at age 18, neither will Princess Charlotte. The Princess of Wales will only become queen when she and William inherit the throne, and she is well over eighteen, and so was Princess Diana! So being under eighteen is not what makes a Disney princess a princess rather than a queen. None of them held a throne except Elsa and then Anna - Snow White's stepmother stole the throne from her, Sleeping Beauty and Ariel still had living parents to reign, Cinderella and Belle married PRINCES, not kings. Belle's age has nothing to do with her not being queen; unless Adam becomes King of France, she would still be a princess in her eighties.And anyway, 17 is not a child. They are an adolescent, and 16 is the legal age of consent in the UK and probably in France too.
@Mikichan85 yeah, she was a child... 16-17 years old is still a child
“Unlike Gaston who is a jerk because he loves himself too much, Beast is awful because he hates himself,” Damn, this statement hit me like a truck and I’m not even a minute in
@Jeff Mullerwow thank you for sharing and I will be praying for all of us followers! I’m 19 and became Christian last year. I’ve always been very sweet but in the last two years I noticed I was getting more self righteous and angry over things that I had no control over. I still don’t feel worthy but the love of Jesus has redeemed me from being a flighty, silly and bratty girl to a woman who wants to serve the world. It’s not easy, but Jesus is waiting for us, over and over and he will never get tired❤️that’s why this movie is my fave! And I’m sure the beast was so tired and angry at his circumstances, he NEVER thought that someone could love him in that state. But comes along a woman with a selfless heart and the spell is broken. May we open the door to Jesus’s knock!
@Love and Ukes Oh trust me, some people absolutely would not mind the furry part.
@April Hollow Self-hatred is not "insecurity." Beast's hatred was never due to that annoyingly vague word but instead uncomforted grief, regret, loneliness, guilt, despair, and misery due to unending hopelessness over his situation. I would probably throw in unspoken shame do to him bringing a curse upon quite literally everyone in that castle.
@April Hollow Yes
But isn’t narcissism really based on deep insecurity?
Gaston's behaviour when he enters her house is just absolutely dangerous. A man forcing himself in her house, following his prey around, trying to touch her and pin her down...that's just every woman's biggest nightmare. To me, this is the reason why she wants to flee the village at that moment. She never felt like she was in place there, but now she feels that she escaped a near rape, she has lost all feeling for safety. Nobody will defend her if Gaston does it, he is the hero of the village. Nobody will believe her. And Gaston will not doubt of telling her that. He's the Weinstein of the village. God knows how many victims there are. So when he has left, she stays inside and barrickades the door. A loooong time afterhe has left, she is brave enough to peek through the door. The emotions; humiliation, shame, anger, fear, unbelief...it is all clear as she talks to herself when going out. Then she takes a run to leave the village, but one thing keeps her from actually running away: her father. She would never want to leave her father behind. So she cannot force herself to run away, even choosing her father over her own safety, but at the same time reluctant to return to the house in which she doesn't feel safe anymore. As a woman I always felt sick to my stomach seeing this scene.
@Charity • He would do some serious prison time nowadays.
Well said dude, really well said
@Devin Reis It wasn't that long ago that stalking wasn't even a crime. It was more like the victim was overreacting. I had an ex boyfriend stalk me back in the early 80s, and nobody took me seriously. They told me that he just wanted to see me again and that I was overreacting. Thank God he figured it out and finally left. Scary stuff.
In the real world, he'd be arrested for stalking. He's a stalker.
I like the fact that in the animated version everybody else got curse for no reason because I feel like that illustrates a very important lesson ... your bad decisions have consequences, and sometimes those consequences can spill onto other people
@Darklyo In the Prologue, the narrator states of The Enchanted Rose's link to the curse, "The rose she had offered was truly an Enchanted Rose, which would bloom until his 21st year." In _Be Our Guest_ Lumiere mentions about how "Ten years we've been rusting, needing so much more than dusting. Needing exercise. A chance to use our skills. Most days, we'd just lay around the castle. Fabby, fat & lazy. You walked in & whoopsie daisy!" So, doing the math for the animated version, Prince Adam would've been a parentless 11-year-old being cared for by his deceased parent's servants.
@Darklyo the rose will bloom untill the beasts 21st birthday. And he's been cursed for ten years. This is for the animated version, so yeah 11 he was
@Angelica Datu if I sound sarcastic or trying to one up you that's not my intention and I'm sorry for coming off that way, but I don't think a lot of people will feel inclined to tell an individual to stop being an asshole if said individual has the power to throw them in prison or even execute them purely on a whim
Or, since they were allowing/enabling the beast's cruelty by not standing up to him, they also suffer the curse since not doing anything when evil is done is also a sin.
@Wolfie Penguin was he 11 in the original story or in the animated version? Because I'm pretty sure they made him older in the animated version
The symbolism of the books are so important too. Through out the movie you see her love for books because to her she’s living the adventures in the books she reads. You see Gaston constantly abuse her books which essentially symbolizes Belle herself, but Beast saw her love for books and wanted to give her adventure and more stories. Beast himself knows he has nothing to offer her and in his wildest dreams at this point in the movie where he gives her the library, he couldn’t even picture her loving him. She treats him with kindness and he is learning for the first time since the curse that beauty exists inside people not the outside. Truly love the theme of the books though-out!!
And she doesn't read picture books or pictures on the cover, because she doesn't judge books by their cover, like the beast.
@Kyra AHHHH WE HAVE THE SAME NAME!!!
WOW!! I present analysis like this and am getting ready to start my PhD, and this is an awesome breakdown! Thanks for sharing! Much more thought out than some of the others I've winced through in class!
@ln+3rna1hàbän3r0s symbolism and coding are just literary terms... so maybe write your own analysis rather than being condescending over some one else's?
People really call obvious things, symbolism now?
I do like how the witch turned them into how they saw each other. Like his servants saw the prince as a beast and the prince saw his servant as objects to serve him.
@AVP i mean yeah, but we usually do it ironically, we aren't actually scared of them.
@nessy nessoh believe me plenty of adults look at bratty kids and think they are little monsters...
@TherealRNO again, but the original tales have the fairy being bad. And disney changed it to the beast, a child, being the bad one in that situation , and that decision was made by disney writers of the 21 century.
@nessy ness No. The whole "Stranger Danger" campaign was a fairly recent thing stemming from a rise in child abduction cases that was rampant throughout the 1980's & 1990's (with the Amber Alert System even being instituted back then, too).The story of _Beauty & the Beast_ itself, though, is set in the 17th Century (and the couple whom the fairy tale is based upon lived during the 14th Century), at which time, it was customary for nobility to afford food & lodging to the needy, due to some unwritten rule of sacred hospitality. This expectation regarding hospitality is something both royalty at the time & Fae across the board generally took very seriously.So, if anyone's at fault for Agatha cursing Prince Adam & the castle staff, it's Prince Adam's parents for not telling their son about the expected customs nobles are bound to. If Prince Adam's parents weren't going to even bother making sure their son knew how to behave, then they should've given the order for the castle staff to do so as part of the young Prince's educational development. That said, perhaps maybe the servants had earnestly tried to get the spoiled child to understand the lofty standards that come with being of royal background, but the young Prince felt too entitled to actually listen to what he was being told (a lot like many kids deciding to ignore the ground rules which parents, teachers, and other authority figures give them), which in turn, obviously resulted in adverse consequences for all involved.
@TherealRNO exactly my point, the old tales had the fairy be evil, but 21 century writters of disney decided to portray her as fair and the child as being in the wrong. Changing that part of message in a kids movie to " is wrong to not allow a sus old woman in your house in the middle of the night".
As to the "why 'wife' and not just 'conquest'?" question: Gaston's a hunter. An apex predator. It's literally the very first thing established about him. He doesn't just want a notch on his bedpost, he wants a permanent trophy that he can take possession of. There's also the subversion of the Disney Prince trope in this movie. In any other Disney movie, Gaston would be the love interest; good looking, has the respect and adoration of the townspeople, protects them from wild beasts, and "loves" the protagonist. In any other Disney movie, he would marry the princess. And Gaston's entitlement comes from that genre savvy viewpoint just as much as his narcissism. He doesn't understand, genuinely, what Belle's issue with him is. He's the Hero. The Hero gets the girl. The Prince marries the Princess etc.
Gaston was horny. Gaston wanted to fuck. Gaston wanted kids. Gaston so happened to came across Belle by chance and he decided to want his kids to look kinda like Belle.Gaston don't want a toy. Gaston got his hunting rifle.That's what I'd seen and heard in B&B.Sourcem.kzclip.net/video/5Rk8u2FTaG0/бейне.html
Jesus Christ, I thought you were me.
@AJ Allen Yepp! I see that attitude a lot irl. I'm not the prettiest girl on the block by any means, but I certainly have seen these predator/Gaston type dudes bend over backwards to get my attention when I refuse to give it to them. And as soon as you give them a hint of 'maybe I desire you too', they almost immediately back off bc you're no longer a challenge to them. Guaranteed Gaston would be chasing other women or otherwise ignoring Belle if he did manage to marry her. The fun is gone for him the moment she gives him the attention he desires.
@AJ Allen that's very common irl too 😂
Furthermore on the predator point, Belle is desirable precisely because she's unattainable. He doesn't want the other women in town who fall over him, he wants to conquer the very last woman who refuses to go out with him. Because if he can do that, then that proves that he himself is irresistible.
I love the subtitles referring Gaston as “No-Belle prize winner” 🤣
Also "Book Thief" at the beginning and "Gastoff". These subtitles are my favorite!
Love the play on words.
“No-Belle Prize Winner” made me cackle so loud that I actually spooked my cat 😂😂😂
finally! i'm so tired of ppl just writing the whole story off as completely toxic and a total "Stockholm syndrome" thing. i've always thought of it as the first Disney princess movie to actually show the characters gradually grow to love each other, instead of the whole "love at first sight" stuff. i also disagree with the idea of Belle trying to "cure him with her love". that's just not what happened. she only started warming up to the Beast after a positive change in his behaviour.
@Aurora Well I doubt that would hold up in court, but I'm slowly figuring out that the people that actually like this movie aren't all that bright. Tbh neither am I for trying to play chess with pigeons. 👋🏾
@God Bear i meanHe changed and it's all that matters lolIt's not about who you are used to beBut about what you did to become better than what you used to
@God Bear You're unfortunately using 20th-21st Century thinking for a story set in the 17th Century based on a 14th Century historic fairy tale couple.
@Zarraenla Legality doesn't equal morality. If you don't understand that you're not ready for this conversation.
The Beast was well within his rights to capture Maurice. As a prince, it was both his duty and his right to punish criminals. Maurice was guilty of trespassing, breaking and entering, and possibly theft. He was actually being quite compassionate when he accepted Belle's offer to take her father's place due to him being sick. (I don't know of any judge in this country that would allow such a thing) In addition, he graciously offered her an actual bedroom instead of having to stay in the prison itself, which she was completely surprised by.
Can we talk about how 8:22 is straight out of an abusive relationship? No greeting, only talks about what he wants her to do, no respect for her possessions/house and the most important, no respect for her consent or boundaries. Like the walk up where he throws over a chair and pins her to the wall to kiss her is exactly how abusive relationships are portrayed. It’s played as a joke but that actually happens and it’s terrifying
This is off topic but could someone send the discord invite? It’s invalid for me.
He'd be in jail in the real world for stalking and harassment.
@daisy allen You must! It is one of my favorites. So many tropes were subverted in this movie, in the best of ways.
She was lucky enough to never be in a relationship with him though.
@Jorge Bersabe Wtf you talking about??
Thank you for restoring my faith in this romance. I loved this movie as a kid, so it made me sad when I learned about Stockholm syndrome and made the connection with the story. Now I can love it again without feeling guilty! 😭
I love this story so much too
@CycloneFoxhe literally said that when he trusted his heart he started to dislike the story, and when he listened to a stanger on the internet he could love it again
The Beast was like a child in a candy store when Belle was reading King Arthur.
And that's why it's important to listen to your own heart, not some stranger on the internet or even reviews.
The thing I like about the animated version as opposed to the remake, is the beast chooses to change and be kind. In the original he chooses to give her a better room and treat her better because he feels bad about it. The remake it's lumeir and cogsworth. In the original he gives her the library out of wanting to do something nice for her. In the remake it's because he wants to make a point. In the original he makes himself a better person and that's what changes how belle reacts. In the remake she falls in love because......it's in the story I guess.
@S. Daylehe wasn’t criticising anything particular about the movie. He said that he didn’t watch the movie, and that like with all remakes it would feel like a dissapointment when compared to the original. He isn’t random neither
@Sylphie uwu If you've never seen it, you make a fool of yourself by critizing it at random.
It's the exact opposite: in the live action the Beast is educated, so the two share the same interests and have actual chemistry, building a relationship by exchanging quotes and discussing the books' ideas. It's more natural for two people who share interests to accidentally fall for one another. Belle also never gives up travelling, thanks to the magic book.Whereas, in the cartoon, she inexplicably is ok with being holed up in a castle for the rest of her life and she starts to love the Beast because... she likes to teach an ignorant, tantrum-throwing manchild? (who's also her captor, who mistreated her father and screamed at the top of his lungs right in her face days prior...) Tf? Who'd ever wanna spend time with such a nasty guy that you have absolutely nothing in common with?In a realistic scenario, she would have missed Gaston, by sheer comparison. lol
In the remake, she fell in love because if she doesn't, then all the servants turn into permanent objects. The fact that they added that to the story and then have the servants tell Emma Watson about that, it seems about as worse as the Stockholm syndrome thing, probably much worse if they had Emma Watson think of the good qualities of the Beast
@He-Boo Hou Hou nah, it's the one he sings as she goes home
Well, what most don’t know is that this story is originally a French fairy tale based on an real love story.Katharina de Medici forced one of her court ladies to marry a wolf-man that they considered to be a beast.But he was actually a good hearted man and on the wedding night he didn’t force her to anything but was rather shy. So with the time they both fell in love and then had 4 kids together.So, in fact, the original story turned out to be a big love story.
@A Lyrical Singers Life Barbara Marie-Louise Pavelka So… Lupin?
@UsenameTakenWasTakenit was perfectly notrmal back in the day. Hell, it was perfectly normal a 100 years ago
@A Lyrical Singers Life Barbara Marie-Louise Pavelka Hypertrichosis is the disease in question.
Pretty sure that story also inspired a story in the Witcher.
@UsenameTakenWasTaken well, it’s also theorized that the original “fairy tale” based on that story was basically written as a sort of… example, of arranges marriage. Arranged marriages back then where obviously for political and economic gain, but since people mostly had a lot of children, after a while people did start to make at least a token effort to pair up people that would be compatible, simply because then it was more likely for the marriage to be stable and not create problems down there line. Of course this was a secondary or tertiary consideration, but it’s been theorized that the book came out as a way to teach parents that *that* is the end goal.
The curse affecting the whole castle and not just the prince is actually pretty par the course for traditional faeries who would regularly do far worse for even the slightest provocation. Heck, in Sleeping Beauty the Dark Fairy cursed the kingdom because she wasn't invited to the party.
For anyone who’s confused as to why Maleficent was so offended in the original tale and cartoon, this is why. In the time era that the story is based on a royal christening was a very big deal and everyone was invited and expected to attend, from the lowliest peasant to the nobility at court. To not be invited to such an occasion was a serious insult. And since Fae are petty and malicious when offended, the last thing anyone should have done was insult Maleficent.
@Wildfire Well they do give her slightly more human motives in both the original animated movie and the live action remakes, where as the Dark Fairy in the original tale doesn't really consider what she's doing as evil or even take a lot of joy in it. She's just doing what faeries do.
Well at least Maleficent is… maleficent.
I've never felt that Belle ever had Stockholm Syndrome. Emma Watson even agrees with this stance, pointing out that Belle kept her independence the whole time, and argued with the Beast, until he showed a softer side. He even freely allowed her to leave when she saw that Maurice was in trouble.
@CMM not to mention, some great songs
@Wolfie Penguin I first saw Beauty and the Beast at age four. Gaston taught me everthing then that I later confirmed in adult safeguarding classes about avoiding abusive relationships and danger signals. I do thank him for that. 😆
@CMM oh definitely, I also just think it's a good show of, people should not be trying to court you like this. So for me, it says to be cautious of people who act like this
@Wolfie Penguin I agree with you there. It gave depth to the story in showing two sides of 'beastliness.'
@CMM I do think he's a great addition though
Honestly as a kid I thought of the Beast giving her the library was him acknowledging her passion and he realized he got happiness from fueling that. It really messed my mind up as a teen when the internet went on and on about Stockholm syndrome, I thought that gifts outside of occasions were toxic and just buying me... it took a lot of counseling to realize gift giving was a love language. Not just for romantic but familial and platonic...
What a roller coaster you've been on.
It’s months after the fact, sorry about that, but this comment hurt to read. Those people really have no idea that trivializing abuse and using “scary” words for shock value can and does have real consequences for real people.
“Blooms until his 21st birthday” and “ten years we’ve been rusting/needing so much more than dusting.”Yeah…I don’t think the Sorceress was ever intended to be likeable. She literally cursed a (pampered and titled but hidden away or even orphaned) 11 year oldchild for being a bit of a brat. Which also explains a LOT about Beast’s behavior-if his servants ever stood up to him enough to raise him, he quickly lost any motor controls for, say, using spoons. Puberty’s already rough enough without being a minotaur-thing as well. And of course he never learned to read, either; he was cursed in the middle of learning how, and like most kids hated that learning process (and probably had a terrible tutor and/or maybe even a touch of dyslexia making it harder) so yet another Lost Skill. (I’d say the servants got Cursed for not establishing boundaries successfully until he’s now 20 years old and realizing he HAS to grow for Belle…except, Chip is a 10 year old. That means he was a *baby* when this curse got dished out.) Anyway. Sorceress is just a fae in all the worst and most chaotic traditional on-the-tin ways ever. (What I appreciated about the live-action? The prince was actually an adult verses a lonely child.)
The prologue was actually one of the last things recorded and the addition was rather last minute. It was an error not a deliberate story point that the enchantress cursed a child.
@CatBatRat Worse, Mrs. Potts claims that Chip has brother & sister teacups that he sleeps with in the cupboard, but when the curse is lifted, Chip is the only real child present. So were the other cups just cups given sentience or were they people that we never got to see?
"...except, Chip is a 10 year old. That means he was a baby when this curse got dished out."Pun intended?
@AppleStrawberryLove That, and also the lyrics have to fit in the song. For example, if the actual number had been, say, 11 years, that would have been pretty hard to fit.
To me, the old lady did what she did to teach him that bad decisions have consequences, and sometimes bad decisions consequences can have a cascade effect which can effect others, weather thier deserving it or not.
I'm so glad someone finally defended this movie. It was my favourite Disney princess when I was a kid and I still love it today. I never felt that it was Stockholm syndrome. I actually think people seeing evil in everything is getting old. It's just annoying and you can't expect something made 20+ years ago to hold to current societal standards.
I thought the point being made is that it *does* hold up to standards? If it didn’t that _wouldn’t_ be good?
I think a good thing to add when thinking of Stockholm Syndrome is: it’s having compassion and humanity for you captor TO A POINT WHERE YOU FEEL THAT THEY HAD A RIGHT TO TAKE YOU CAPTIVE. Belle never thought it was ok that he took her captive.
@Ivanka R belle in the story doesnt suffer from Stockholm syndrome though because of a couple reasons. 1. She was literally only his captive for less than a day I think so there would be no time for any sort of emotional connect like trust and he tells her to leave (so everything in the movie is her choosing to stay because he already told her to leave once)2. She constantly defies him and goes against his stipulations throughout the film (he's the one who has to change and conform to the environment instead of her) the only reason she trusted him was because he risked his life to save her not as a coping mechanism 3. The beast isn't a abusive person. So she isnt in any sort of harm where she would fear for her life. She honestly scares the beast more than he scares her. 4. She wasn't taken in the middle of the night for no reason she chooses to be his hostages after her father breaks into his house. So I think her mindset would be different from someone who was kidnapped considering she was prepared for this outcome and willingly made the decision. -but tell me if you disagree with the reasons
@Ivanka R i'm so sorry about what happened and i wish you the best from now on
You're wrong about what you wrote in capital letters. I have been in a position of Stockholm Syndrome according to my psychologist, I experienced Stockholm Syndrome first hand. And even the definition almost each and every website gives confirms that. And nowhere does it say anything about compassion to a point where you feel that they had the right to take you captive, that's something you just made up and it's not true. Show me a source that that's the definition then, because this is not the standard definition most sources give to it, and not the definition my psychologist gave to it.I was in an unwanted sexual abusive relationship, raped over and over again by someone I had known for years before the abuse started, trusted like a father-figure, a married man who's wife and sons I also saw as family, and who had groomed me completely, made me dependent on him even career-wise, until a point where I stopped resisting and became his puppet. Good behavior was rewarded, bad behavior punished. I didn't even realize at the time that he was using BDSM techniques, he'd tie me up and spank me until I would be black and blue on parts that no one else would see. Or he would bring me to physical heights if he thought I had been good, and he knew exactly what to do. Or he would take me to a fancy hotel far away, get me lavish gifts. He even took me to Paris once, a city I hope to never visit again. My career thrived because of him too. And if I tried to leave he would threaten to ruin my career and remind me of all that he had done for me, the money and time he invested in me. In a consensual relationship those moments in bed (when I had been good in his opinion, not the other side) and the trips he took me on and the gifts he would bring from far away places would have been absolutely epic and romantic, only that in this case none of it was consensual, but came from a power imbalance. Even the fact that I could find climax due to the physical stimulation gave him reason to convince me that I actually wanted it too. And for a while I was confused about this, and felt affection for him. Even more so, at a certain point I wanted him to be pleased with me. I did whatever I could to make him happy and tried to understand where his behavior was coming from. I could write down a book about him probably as he was quite open with me at some point, and I could write that book from a point of compassion and understanding for what made him the way he is. But do I think he had the right to do what he did to me? No. And that has nothing to do with Stockholm Syndrome.My psychologist later explained that just because someone knows how to push the right buttons to make it feel great, doesn't mean it isn't rape. It's rape because there's no consent. I was in a situation of emotional and sexual abuse in which I had no idea how to escape for a long time. And the affection I developed is Stockholm Syndrome. Yet never ever did my compassion go to a point where I felt that he had a RIGHT to do what he did. I was in survival mode. I did what I had to do during those days to help me wake up in the morning and not break down mentally. I grew affection for the person who held me into a situation I didn't know for a long time how to escape from.
@Sharle Brooks Exactly, but that doesn't happen with Bella, she doesn't fall in love with him when he was rude to her and she's not even submissive, it's silly that people think she has that syndrome.
That is not what Stockholm Syndrome is. It's feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor.
You technically cannot buy love with a library, but you can show your love and appreciation to someone by giving them a deeply personal and meaningful gift. And a library to a bookworm is kind of an ultimate life goal (source: me, a bookworm)
@CallMeNeutrino Understood & duly noted.
@TherealRNO of course - I never suggested I wouldn't accept her as is! I've never loved or been prouder of anyone more in my life! I don't care who she loves as long as they treat her well and make her happy. That wasn't what I was saying, at all.I was joking that a true bibliophile's love of books might be more powerful than any other influence. That's all.
@CallMeNeutrino Or just let her find her own special person & accept her orientation as it is, since, regardless of her personal preference, she's still your daughter & you should love her unconditionally, no matter who she finds ultimate happiness with. I mean, for all we know, it could end up as adorable as Lumity (Luz X Amity from _The Owl House_ despite Disney cancelling the show for being too pro-LGBTQAIP for certain conservative executives), Catadora (tough magicat Catra X lovable dumb blond Adora aka modern She-Ra from the contemporary Netflix reboot), Luna X Sam of _The Loud House_ , _Life is Strange_ video game couples Pricefield (Chloe Price X Max Caufield) & Chenrich (Alex Chen X Steph Gingrich), gems Ruby X Sapphire -- who also become the androgynous Garnet when literally fused -- of _Steven Universe_ (which also pairs Lapis X Peridot, too, if I'm not mistaken), Sailors Uranus X Neptune (who were miscast as "cousins" in the '90s dub of _Sailor Moon_ even if moments of them as lesbian lovers from the source Japanese anime still slipped through on occasion, making things incredibly awkward), and various other popular LGBTQIAP canon ships, except this one would be real between your daughter & whomever she falls in love with.
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SAME! Especially with a great view and air conditioning
"It's yours -- because I don't know how to read."This is why I love the film with the cut scenes added in. We get to see Belle teaching Beast to read. One of the sweetest scenes in the movie failed to make it into the theatrical release.
@Mucha Na Dziko True but monks would’ve prioritized this over nobility or royalty.
It’s a nice touch, but a „prince” in 18th or something Century not being able to read is just absurd
He doesn't mind hearing it over and over again.
I wish they kept it in. It would've been another way Beast and Gaston were different. While they're both illiterate, Beast is interested and wants to learn more while Gaston doesn't see it as worthwhile.
I love this movie so much! I love how the intro song is the “I want song” for basically 3 characters (Belle, Gaston, and Town). Like Gaston single handedly creates a egg Famine lol. Also this still uses the 3 tiers of art with the painted backgrounds, animated mid and foregrounds. So fun to hear these other perspectives.
@LoveoftheRoad [giggling] Let's not talk about egg famines, okay? I've been seeing that at Wal*Mart for about the last three months. (7/25/2022)
"I need 6 eggs!" Supply chain problems. Thanks, Gaston. 😂
As you guys were talking about Belle being kind of distanced from the town, the realisation hit me like a brick - all the townpeople are dressed in warm tones, the coolest tones being green tones and creams. Belle is quite literally divorced from them with her stark white blouse and skirt as well as her prominently blue apron. She is visually othered, her gestures + body language others her and the fact that even though everyone talks about her, she barely says a word to anyone. In every possible way, she was set apart from them
Plus, Gaston wears red, as does the Beast earlier on. But as Belle falls for the Beast, he starts to wear purple (his cape) and blue (his formal dress suit for the titular song).
I’m surprised that you don’t think Belle is starting to catch feelings in the snowball scene. She also wants to dance with the Beast. She may not be in love with him yet, but she’s got to have some kind of butterflies, otherwise it wouldn’t surprise her so much (new and a bit alarming) and make her feel shy and hide behind the tree to try to sort out her feelings. Maybe I relate because I’m a girl.
Belle is forgiving to the sheep that ate part of the page of her book and is irritated by Gaston throwing her book into a mud puddle because she understands sheep eat anything, adults generally understand the concept of respecting people's properties.
@Bane Amesta Absolutely agree.
@Julia I don't think Belle was being nice. Just telling Gaston to 'get lost' could have enraged him enough to assault her then and there, and she was alone on the house. THAT would have been risky. I always found Belle to be a great role model because she refuses to be intimidated or cowed into giving Gaston what he wants even though he holds all the power in that village, doesn't panic or escalate the situation, and cleverly tricks him over to the door to knock him out, which I just love seeing her do. She's so smart and in control even in a horrific situation. I've never met a guy as bad as Gaston, but I've had guys try to get too close and used Belle's maneuvering tactics successfully to get them away from me.
I've always felt that Belle really represents me. I've always been a bookworm who tries to see the positive in everyone and I just love animals, because they have no choice in ethical behaviour, so you cannot call them bad (unless you teach them to be like that, but humans generally speaking don't teach sheep).So when that sheep ate a part of the page, I would have not minded it.Firstly, because it didn't eat the entire page, it didn't even touch the letters. Secondly, because it was so kind to approach me. I have always felt that animals can feel the goodness in people, so they flee from some people feeling something dangerous, and they can aporoach others because they genuinely feel they're warm and patient creatures. It would make me glow inside every time an animal would gently approach me, because I hope it might be a sign that there is more to me than I see in myself.Thirdly, since book pages are nowhere near the taste of fresh leaves, it would be logical that the sheep would say "nah, this doesn't taste good, not gonna have another bite". Belle knows this, sees that the sheep is tasting it (if it would want to really eat it, it would have taken it with force and eaten it quickly). She knows it's thinking it, so her irritation that her book got a bit damaged gets washed away with her smiling inside. It's like those youtube uploads in which parents film how their child tastes lemon for the first time. You know they will not eat the entire lemon. So she's not angry and she's not pushing it away. I find her behaviour very logical
@Wendy Chavez but there NOT even a single words in that book
I understand that because my aunt had sheep when I was in seventh grade.
There’s a great quote from Mike Flanagan’s “The Haunting of Bly Manor” that I kept thinking about while watching this:“People do that, don’t they? Mix up love and possession. I don’t think that should be possible, I mean, they’re opposites really: love and ownership.”This is honestly my favorite Disney film of all time. I sort of have categories for “favorites”, like Snow White for being such a staple in animation history or Sleeping Beauty for being an incredible work of art. But Beauty and the Beast takes the cake for me: music, visuals, story, history behind the making of this film. It’s always been my favorite and Belle was a HUGE role model for me as a child. I loved the idea of a woman who was beautiful for reasons beyond her physical appearance and who could love and see the beauty in both people and things.
You guys seriously ended the video like that after criticizing Emma Watson's singing 😂😂😂 Thanks for the video--I loved every minute (even the extro 🤣)
Is no one going to address the fact the the sorceress cursed an 11 year old boy for not letting her into his home? Logistically a prince wouldn't be answering the door himself but for real she cursed the entire castle over a boy being an entitled brat? Also something that is never addressed in either version is what happened to the beast's father the king? I believe (while not stated in the movie but shown in the credits) his name is Prince Adam because even if he was dead regardless of age Beast/Adam should be King even with a regency until he's of age and if he's alive where is he and why wasn't he cursed with a worse fate than his son?
@Furienna Well, I doubt he was the King of overall France, since he would've been much more well-known and there would've been multiple search parties looking for him if that were the case, so I agree with your assessment that The Beast's father was still a high-ranking nobleman and acting ruler of whatever principality he ruled over, but he was no king. The _Enchanted Christmas_ holiday midquel & the 2017 live-action remake both fill in this missing backstory plot point by outright stating that Prince Adam's parents were dead. Yet, Adam's not a king, because he was only a 11 year old bratty child when he was cursed in the animated film canon (as confirmed by lines in "The Prologue", "Be Our Guest", and "Human Again", as well as reinforced in the _Enchanted Christmas_ holiday midquel courtesy of a flashback), whereas he was seemingly a fairly young adult in the 2017 live-action remake when Agatha cursed him, yet there was still the concept of time passing, so that puts his live-action counterpart's specific age into question, since he should've been crowned King Adam once he came of age if he were an adult.
@TherealRNO Right, but that's not what I was talking about.I was only explaining what I think is the right title for Adam's father.
@Furienna Doesn't matter. In the era which the story takes place, lords & ladies were expected to grant food & lodging to the needy. Sacred hospitality & all of that.
That was indeed never addressed at all.But my guess is that Adam's father never was a king, but he was the head of a local principality.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I've been so sick and tired of people saying that Belle just has Stolkholm Syndrome, COMPLETELY ignoring what the character growth ACTUALLY was!! I even took someone through the definition of what Stolkholm Syndrome is and then went over how Belle doesn't fall into those categories even if it looks like she does, and they STILL insisted that I was the one who didn't understand!Of course, this is going by the definition that people normally use, not the one that you later gave. Which I do agree with, cuz by the logic of "I don't see my captor as a one dimensional bad guy but instead as a multifaceted human for whom I can have empathy for" then yea, she has that... but I just hate how people assume that her relationship is her just being manipulated
It wasn't so much the 'act of giving a library' that was special to Belle. It was because in spite of everyone making her feel like a freak for loving books so much it showed he was actively supporting her reading, making her feel truly heard and seen. Also because he knew she loved to read and had to give up books for the rest of her life to live with him and this broke his heart. making her 10x more valued than Gaston
@Ten Digit Number "i showed you my library pls respond"😂Sorry, I had to!
@oooh19 exactly. There's literally videos from the Manosphere,Redpill, MGTOW, etc doing it
How dare women read 😂This was old time France. Women were just seen as property, should stay home, should do market, obey their husbands, can be treated anyway he want,etc. Women reading was seen as obsurd because people didn't think women was and still to this day, just look up the Manosphere, Redpill, MGTOW,and all forms of Incel communities think women are not intelligent
@Courtney Ozog That's the beauty of the theatre, each play is always different and like watching it completely anew even if it's the same story being told. One of the best examples is Genie's jokes for Broadway Aladdin. Everytime the jokes are different so if you wanted to hear them all you had to attend every showing. ^w^
@FinlayArts That's interesting. It may have been a director's choice for the falling asleep. Having done the show in HS (and almost choreographing a community theatre show this past Spring) and finding various professional productions and clips on KZclip, one from Australia I found while doing my HS production, some of the clips they made for PR from the original cast, and even the original cast from when they were in L.A. in 1995 I found during the pandemic. The script does say there's a beat of connection after Belle says people call her different "and I know how lonely that can be." *beat* (Continue reading). I absolutely adore their exchanges in that section of the show, and perhaps it's because I feel the same as them.
I always thought Beast was just ok with Gaston killing him because he was so depressed after Belle left, he just didn't want to live without her. But when he saw she had returned his eyes lit up and he was ready to defend himself and everyone because he realized she was devoted to him after all. 💙💜
I have also been turned around; I loved Belle as a kid because she was a girl that loved books as much as I did, but as I got older, I got that same idea that she was just a victim of Stockholm syndrome. You guys gave me back my love for Belle 😊
One thing that suttley shows Beast becoming more human is when he starts wearing more cloths. His starting outfit was a tattered cap, and ripped pants. In the end its a clean well kept cap, none ripped pants and a clean white shirt.
The reason Beast giving Belle a library is such a powerful moment is because it's something she would want.She loves books, and while most people don't get in her way of that (Except Gaston), Beast paid enough attention to know that's what she wants.
When she reads him King Arthur, he doesn't want her to stop. He's like a child in a candy store.
Belle = everything Bella is not in Twilight. Beast orders him to come to dinner and she basically says she'd rather starve. I love the shot after the wolves where she's treating his wounds because he's litterally this massive, horrifying creature roar-screaming at her and she just sits, back straight, hair flying in his rage till he's done. I'd be terrified, but she just shoots back "serves you right." She has so much compassion, but she has such a healthy amount of self respect.
I love how she tells him off in that scene, but keeps the humility to acknowledge the sacrifice he made to save her. She still doesn't develop feeling until he is treating her like a human being and reciprocates instead of because he saved her.
Stop whining about twilight. Bella is garbage but so is Belle.
A healthy relationship is where both people have equal power.
@darondax And personally, this comment made me realize why I disliked the portrayal of Cptn Marvel. They make her push everyone down to be strong when she can be strong and still let others be strong too
There's a really good Belle moment in... Kingdom Hearts, of all places. The bad guy steals Beast's rose and takes Belle hostage. What does Belle do? She stomps the guy's foot, punches him in the face, and takes that rose back. Belle kicks ass.
Something I never noticed before that made me realize their relationship was healthier than I thought, was that the curse was only ever truly broken, when he made the choice to let go of his anger and stopped using anger to solve his problems and letting go of lashing out at people, and completely released her of any intimidation or control whatsoever without any alterior motives, he let go of his opportunity to be human again and even to set the others free too, did she ever truly fall in love with him. And only did they ever truly get to understand each other was when she was allowed to feel comfortable enough to put her foot down without feeling like she was gonna get murdered, when she was free of any and all guilt or fear or control or intimidation. She took no shit, even if she was his prisoner, she wasn't the submissive subservient character people make her out to be with the whole stolkholm syndrome thing. And I want people to notice, beast only ever got better, because she didn't just comply with what he wanted, because she didn't become whatever she thought he needed her to be, because she set healthy boundaries and advocated for herself and called him out on his toxic behaviors, did he ever actually realize he needed to do something to change, that this wasn't the person he wanted to be, and these behaviors aren't going to get him what he wants in life. That's a lesson I think a lot of young girls need, (because I was once a young girl and I've been there,). Giving someone everything they need and trying to fix their problems for them or trying to keep people from pain, can keep people from going through the things they need to go through to fully develop into a healthy independent person. In fact, conforming into whatever they want or need you to be, usually only ever makes things a lot worse and a lot harder in the end. Helping too much can hurt people too, and that's why letting people handle certain things on their own can be an act of love, and more importantly, an act of respect. And someone showing confidence in your ability to do something for yourself can be exactly the boost someone needs to actually create change in their life.
Yes!!! The difference between possession and love! Really well done video!
It is true that Gaston never loved Belle and just wanted to possess her and turned out to be a villain. But I think I have to disagree that love can only exist in a healthy way. Two good examples of this in fiction is Soames in "The Forsyte Saga" and Snape in "Harry Potter".Both of them were messed up individuals with an abusive side, who did some really horrible things. But it's clear to me that Soames loved Irene and that Snape loved Lily.However, there was no way that they could make a relationship with the women they loved work.Soames couldn't see that he and Irene weren't compatible with each other and needed to control her all the time.And when it comes to Snape, he was enough of an idiot to call Lily a slur for no good reason and lost any chance he had to be with her.And I'm glad that both Irene and Lily found healthy love with another man. But still, I believe that Soames and Snape had genuine feelings for them unlike Gaston who didn’t care about Belle at all.Again, they're examples of unhealthy love and could never have been what Irene and Lily deserved or wanted or needed. But it's good enough to make them tragic figures for whom you can feel some sympathy rather than just villains like Gaston.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I feel like most people don't know what Stockholm syndrome is lmfao. He keeps her as a hostage yes but it was an act of self survival (keep in mind she was his only hope of becoming a human again so he didn't know what to do not to mention her father broke into his castle). And he tells her to leave like less than 24 hours after (everything after her touching the rose and him telling her to leave is entirely her own choice to stay because he already told her to leave). And you can't say his anger is toxic because part of the story is him controlling his anger and treating her kinder. And being less toxic lol
Two things I noticed Gaton's pursuit of Belle after his first rejection is not about love or attraction for him anymore it is the hunt, the game, the conquest just like his hunting trophies in the tavern. So even his pursuit of Belle is about him.The other funny thing is that during the opening song with the book the sheep are so interested in it and Gaston just mocks it putting him below a literal beast or animal in terms of showing interest in Belle's interests
"You cannot buy love with a library" DONT LISTEN TO HIM, GIVE US A LIBRARY
OH MAN , YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY BUY MY LOVE WITH A LIBRARY
The Beast: "Hold my Mrs. Potts"
ESPECIALLY IF ITS AIR CONDITIONED AND STYLED AFTER THE FRENCH BROQUE PERIOD
@Jessica Fortune-Holland no lol library's are very important
You know, i'd like a library, but i still want an entire castle first. 😉
My daughter saw this on Broadway on a school trip the summer before the Towers fell. The most amazing part was that the onstage transformation looked exactly like the animation one complete with the glowing fire hail and beams of light and the floating beast to prince. I don't know who the magician was who crafted that illusion but she will never forget it.
They hired someone who worked with David Copperfield to create the illusion.
To me, after watching this video… the power of the story is that Belle started and continued through the story with a solid foundation of her own BOUNDARIES.
I need a villain therapy on Gaston.
This has long been my favorite Disney movie. As an adult, when everyone fell into the "yeah, but it stockholm syndrome" perspective, I never knew how to counter that. Until now! So thank you for giving me ammunition with which to defend my favorite Disney film! 😁
I think the fact that Gaston is a prolific hunter and collector of “trophies” speaks to his character as well as his intentions towards Belle. We are introduced to him hunting, and when declares his interest in Bell he says “I’ve got my sights set on that one” while pointing his gun at her. Not very subtle. She’s the most beautiful girl in town, and so he needs to capture her, hunt her, trap her, etc. just like the animals he hunts, he doesn’t care about her for what she is, only for what she will do for the image he has cultivated for himself. The fact that she is uninterested in him doesn’t matter, and in fact I’d say that probably only makes him more interested because of the “challenge” she presents.
And here's another take on his narcissism: it stems from deep insecurities from his youth. I can see him being ridiculed for "not being man enough" over various reasons maybe due to his physique being scrawny or pudgy as a boy. ignored by the girls because he still looked like a little boy to babysit for or convinced at an early age that reading, and by extension education in general, wasn't necessary. but for a woman especially not. Hunting ended up being the only thing he was good at. He could finally be seen as a man, able to do a man's job, and could provide for a future wife as far as putting food on the table. He grew into a burly muscled and handsome man the town girls finally noticed. This fed into his void of an ego. The egg consumption was to impress, so was the ability to hold his beer, muscle, the charm. Without any of those things no one would think of him man enough. Not getting the lady to oogle over him and wanting him feels like a failure and the only way he could get one successfully was treat the whole thing like he did hunting, or was at least told to think of it like that. He's not book smart or the epitome of social smarts, his smarts were in deceit and manipulation to make up for it and if that didn't work violence or the threat of it always did since no one wanted could mess with him anymore.Belle was a trophy that he didn't want to damage so he locked her up instead. Wife was a stand in "to have sex". The ring was bow on the present, a formality and nothing more.He's an insufferable asshole. I used to feel sorta bad for him because Belle kept rejecting him and the only way he could get her to pay attention to him was take the book away from her. But even then it's not 100% successful because she grabs for it and is only half listening. I understood he wasn't a good guy as the movie went on but he's become more disgusting as I've gotten older. Toxic manhood and societal expectations gave him no chance or much choice than to act any other way. He was taught to embrace it. He's the prince that learned to manipulate to get what he wants or take it by force, beast eventually learned to genuinely care and let her go when he realized she wouldn't care about him if he forced it or mistreated her as he had done. He had scared her off and it was his fault. As far as he knew he had sealed his fate to be a beast forever and the only one to blame for that was himself.
also very much he likes "the challenge “ , that belle presents, but notice he likes the other girls like valuing trophies, but extremely likes a favorite one that has hasn't been obtained yet.
@Keylanos Lokj Gaston is a superficially handsome man, but is a beast on the inside, who felt entitled to a girl who wasn't even remotely interested in him and stabbed in the back the man who gave him undeserved mercy, thus falling to his death. Your statement reeks of incel mentality....
I thought he was going to shoot her dead as a child watching him and was surprised when he stated that he wanted to marry her. Then I thought maybe he will kill her with a gun after he marries her.
she looks as conventionally attractive as the 3 women who like to hang out at the bar. It looks to me like he can't take the hit to his ego that she's not interested in him (when the other women are) so she's the trophy he hunts. I don't think he's very smart, or at least any intelligence is blunted by his ego and narcissism. There are other factors why for someone who thinks this highly of himself and his appearance/genetics, she's probably not the best choice of who to attempt to reproduce with.
I love how kind you were to this movie. Belle was always one of my favorite princesses, and it is sad to see how much hate this movie gets. Thank you for pointing the beautiful and meaningful parts of the movie!
On the topic of the two shot they’re talking about around 17:00 it’s more impressive not just that they hold that shot, but that neither character is STATIC during that scene, which is extremely common during animated scenes of the same type. Usually one character moves and the other is a static reaction, but they are both so fluid and dynamic, it’s a true work of art and a labor of love. These animators but their soul into this.
I just wanna point out how at times the french translation of Gaston makes him look even than the english one. For example the line where he says he'll make Belle his wife and goes "Make no mistake about that!" That's translated in french to "N'importe pas le moyen" which means "no matter the means", which yea, foreshadowing 😅
This inspired me to rewatch the film as it was one of my favourites as a child - thank you! I forgot how delightful the animation is and the acting and character design are just wonderful.A few things I noticed on the re-watch:Beast does a surprised look when Belle thanks him for saving her life... like he's suddenly thinking, "I did what? ...Did I do something good?"The "he's my friend" moment also feels really significant, because we know Belle didn't have any friends in the village (beyond that nice old bookseller, what a lovely man :) ). She really wants "to have someone understand" and she really feels Beast understands her in a way that the people from the village haven't - there's a couple of nice shots of them reading together, which suggests she's been able to share her love of books and stories with him.I think there's always a delicate line when a story could be interpreted as problematic 'but it's ok cause she likes it'... You know, there's a dark brooding hero, but the heroine is into him so it's ok? I like how Belle *doesn't* tolerate Beast's intimidating behaviour - I think she sees that she's genuinely upset him in the West Wing but while she apologises for her overstepping, she refuses to stay to be roared at, and later reminds him to control his temper. She becomes happy at the castle when he takes the time to show a softer and gentler side to her... and even then, as much as it's a lovely adventure, she misses her father.There's a heart-rending moment when Beast realises he needs to let her go because it seems like the moment he's finally achieved the goal of learning to love he realises that when you love someone, you value their happiness above your own self-interest, and no sooner does he realise this than he has to put it into action.And in general I love how tenderly and gently he treats Belle after the wolf incident and wound scene. I feel like when rewatching it's obvious that there is a vulnerable side to him even early on, but when he dares to let Belle see this side of him, everything gets better.
I think Gaston wants belle for his wife because she's the one thing he can't have. That drives narcissists insane.
@Cindy Hutchins his name is LUCIFER and they think his attractiveness is enough? That puts good men and women down
@Cindy Hutchins narcissistic abuse isn’t a thing
That and back in those days, a man could rape his wife and not get arrested
I think it was because Belle was the prettiest,but also because back in the time the movie is set, wives were considered property. By marrying Belle, she becomes another one of his trophies and he can be all "Look at this pretty thing I have." Kind of feeds into the narcissism I think.
Honestly my only real issue with this film is that I've always liked how Adam looks better when he's a beast than when he 's a person. His design was so friggin cool!
He had to become a human again for Belle's sake, so she wouldn't have to commit bestiality. Also, he had to become a human again to save his servants from becoming household objects for real.
I think he's beautiful as a beast and as a human! If you see rough first scetches of Beast's human form, it looks way better than what they give us in the movie (they kinda failed to make good shadows and that's why he looks kinda funny). Check it out! :-)
But yeah, honestly, I think he's ironically a bit ugly as a human.
Me, too, but that could just be because I'm a furry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@K "Nope. We never named him. We were moving so fast through production that it wasn't until the final scenes of the movie (which were also the final scenes through production) that we realized that he didn't have a name. We didn't have the luxury of time to convene meetings to discuss and debate, (and those meetings always have a built-in time wasting allowance so we can get the joke names out of our system) so we just danced around it and had Belle not mention it. It seemed to work. Then when some lineup of Disney Princes came out and he was labeled "Adam", I asked Don Hahn "Who the fuck is Adam??" - Gary Trousdale.
For the fairy… man, what Can i say, the fae are just like that XD Seriously though, that was an idea in the Middle Ages. The fae are fickle and vindictive, and they could bless a family with the same ease that they would curse a whole country depending basically on their mood. As for the objects, my favorite theory is that anyone with a face was a human-turned object, while almost of the other stuff was the castle’s actual stuff that got animated as a side effect, but that are not actually sapient. Just kinda magic automatons under the control of the people who already controlled them, just magically now.
@TherealRNO Okay, you got me there, but as much as I love this movie, lots of details in it don't make sense if you start thinking about them. It is notable though that we never see any cups except for Chip being awake or talking or moving, so it's clear that they never were important to the story.
So, where are Chip's brothers & sisters, since all of the cupboard teacups have faces (implying they're human), yet when the curse is lifted, Chip is the only child of the kingdom that visibly seen, so where are his other siblings?
That theory is what I'm going with too from now on.
I like to think of Stockholm syndrome as empathizing with someone who is hurting you whether it be mentally, physically, emotionally, etc. They hurt you so much, that one small act of kindness makes you so grateful that you start to make emotional connections to them. I don’t exactly think this is exactly like that
I absolutely have adored this movie since I was a kid. I first watched it when I was about 10 years old. Even then it was my favorite because of the type of love it demonstrates. Love for another human with flaws and hurts, which turned to friendship which ten turned to romantic love. It taught me from an early age that real love is not superficial and to this day I cry so hard at several points.
That’s so sweet! I think that’s what I love most about it too!
YESSSS FINALLY someone actually proffesional to clarify that this movie is NOT about Stockholm Syndrome. I love you guys
@Jennifer keeponfighting "New and a bit...alarming."Geez, Belle, you think? You're turning into a furry feminist! XD
@Julianne Pearson It absolutely makes me sick that anyone could think Gaston was the better of the two.It's as though some people are so focused on turning ordinary flawed human beings into monsters that they can no longer perceive the obvious monsters for what they are.
I came to the comments section to find this. Thanks. ("If they say it's Stockholm Syndrome, I'm not watching this one! I love this movie and don't want to ruin it for myself!" Haha. Glad I don't have to worry!)
maybe because it all happened only for a few hours at that bank in Stockholm, Sweden they thought it's absurd and that there must have been a syndrome at play. while the movie happened for a few movie months or something idk.
For me that whole "belle has Stockholm syndrome" is a Tumblr meme gone out of hand and shape
The library scene is AMAZING bc it's the first time someone acknowledges Belle's loves for books in a positive way. Beast isn't trying to buy her love, he's just giving this to her because he knows how much it means to her and because he wants her to feel happy.
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I always saw Belle as the most positive of the classical disney princesses in every way - but yet the most underrated as well, probably because she is just not "girly" enough, but actually challenges a lot of notions about "being a good female". What I never realized before are two things.1) The human beast doesn't look pretty, as compared to his beast form. I always found this frustrating as a kid - I mean, shouldn't she be rewarded with a handsome guy? But now I realized that there is some meaning in it as well. Even after his resurrection it is still about the character, not the looks. They actually made a good point on that.2) Belle really stands out in the opening song. The whole village is muddy and brown and yellow-ish. Even Gaston, who is wearing bright colors, falls with his red and black into the over-all color theme. But Belle in her blue and white dress really shines in between the villagers. Like literally. She is easy to spot in every wide shot, underlining her relationship with the town. And her dress doesn't get sullied when she is wiping the mud from the book cover. Like she doesn't let Gaston influence her at all. I don't even know if this is on purpose or not, but if then it is peak symbolism.
I believe that we don’t get close ups of Belle in the Belle song because it’s about how the town sees her, not how she is. The town doesn’t get a closer, more intimate look at Belle so neither does the audience.
Belle: "Dad, do you think I'm weird?" Dad: "No, darling, why would you think that?"Belle: "Well, the entire village just sang a song about it"Dad: "Oh yeah. I saw them rehearsing it, earlier today"
@Jeremy Hicks oh wow, talk about a small world! I grew up in Carson/Stevenson. Small towns are simultaneously great and terrible.... 😂
So, they all went back to bed after rehearsal for production reasons? 😅
Lol!! Thanks for the laugh 😂
That basically defines what it's like to live in a small town. I remember, the town I grew up in, Stevenson, Washington that only had 1,500 people.
Belle is my favourite Disney Princess because she didn't set out to be one and probably don't care that she's a princess.
I'm so glad I founded this video. I don't know when this trend started with Beauty and the Beast being the Stockholm syndrome debate but since then beyond; every time when I think or even try to defend the movie with actual points that people seem to over look people just shut it down. How you guys were able to explain it so more clearly to me made my inner child happier cause I have been loving this movie since I was a kid and onward n just seeing on how society or media is trying to destroy this story is just very sad. So thank you for restoring my hopes. 🥰❤
I also love how Belle is not intimidated by Beast's anger. She sees his character weakness, so his aggression seems toothless to her.
Loved this film as a kid. Belle’s relationship with her dad is somewhat similar to mine with my dad. Both of us love books. Although, I would probably be very angry if someone or something started tearing the book apart or even drawing or scribbling inside my books, unlike Belle. In this film she handles the sheep really well.
“The *nuance* is actually where Beauty and The Beast is a lovely story.”I cannot thank you enough for saying this. ❤️
The nuance makes it clear the beast is a desperate man looking for a solution to a huge problem for him. Thus, he is open to change as desperate people will do anything to get back something they've lost.
@Vael221 Exactly. The live action version is a mess. They stripped the story and the characters of their depth and added nothing in return.
@Eni E So much yes. The remake basically takes all the nuance that makes this story work and throws it out in favor of making the story exactly what the common surface interpretation thinks the story is.
And this is also why the remake is so dang awful 😭
I just want to mention that the Established Titles company has recently revealed itself to be a large scam and to please not trust it. I'm aware that this video was made prior to this recent knowledge, a lot of creators were scammed by this company. This has been a PSA. Thank you. 😊
Belle was always my favorite Disney princess because of her depth, intelligence, and strength. This movie is misunderstood. It’s a beautiful message and Belle is a great role model. I ran this VHS ragged as a kid lol.
I like that the remake also changed the lyric from "ten years" to "too long" because that aspect makes the sorceress even more hatable to me. Generally speaking, 11 year olds shouldn't let people into their homes, because stranger danger. When that lyric's in place, it makes it look like the Beast did absolutely nothing wrong.
The animated version is so much better than the live version. Timing is everything.
Unrelated but I love how Alan is geeking over the movie details. It's so fascinating to listen to passionate people like Alan and Jonathan, and it's one of the reasons why I genuinely love this channel. Besides crying with Alan, of course. 😂
@Grizzney Games awww your dad is cool :)
@Grizzney Games Your dad sounds amazing!!
My dad has never been in the field of filmmaking but, he has a degree in the vicinity of it. When he was young he shot commercials, worked setting up concerts, was in plays in high school, etc. Hearing Alan talk about things like that in movies is like hearing my dad talk about it. It makes me wonder what would have happened if my dad pursued movies as a career instead.
And yes, #cryingwithAlan
Crying with Allen is one of my favorite pass times 😭
I always felt like the extra houseware was just an extension of the main households consciousness. Lumiere controlls all the candles, Mrs. Potts and Chip have control over the tea based dishes, etc.
Say what you want about the "problematic" theme in beauty and the beast of Belle's imprisonment, there's something compelling about a story of falling for someone who doesn't feel like they deserve love, because the world tells them they're a monster.And them learning from the example of that person's kindness, how to be kind in turn. With no expectation of anything in return, because they're finally realising they aren't the horrible the thing they were made to feel like.I think it's a story that, when told right, can be so relatable and - in a sense - revolutionary for typical film love stories.
I will never get over the fact that they didn't animate little tail waggles on beastlove me a happy creature why does the earth bane me so?
19:49 I kinda disagree with this take that this scene is teaching people to buy love, because that isnt what Im seeing here. I see that he has taken interest in what she likes, but now she cant do that thing now because of him. In a way, this library is his way of making that right. And like you guys said he wants her to be happy by this point.
As a kid, I used to say that Belle was my favourite Disney princess because she didn't fall in love at first sight for no reason like some other princess
THANK YOU thank you thank you!! I feel like I’m always having to defend this movie and Belle to people and I ALSO always tell people it’s not Stockholm Syndrome. As soon as she has the chance to ride away and let him die and chooses not to, she’s really not his prisoner. They both know she could leave at any time. And I completely agree that she’s totally underrated as a princess!!
I am absolutely OBSESSED with Belle’s hair animation when she’s tending to the Beast’s wounds. I keep rewatching it
I remember in high school going to see beauty and the beast on ice and some 5 yr old girl who hadn't seen the film or knew the story or maybe it was the fact it was live instead of on screen...this little girl RUNS down the steps screaming "Nooooo!" When Gaston sang the "Let's Kill The Beast" song. Her red faced, embarrassed mother running to catch her daughter. It was hilarious and sweet that that little girl knew right feom wrong and she was gona do something about this!
The Stockholm Syndrome thing always bugged me because she didn’t start coming around to him until he genuinely stopped being a dick to her and started being nice. And when he releases her as his prisoner, she actually leaves. And she may not have come back if it weren’t for the impending danger. That’s not Stockholm Syndrome.
@Natalie Butler On the flip side, Gaston is a "Nice Guy": The kind of man who thinks that superficial politeness is currency for sex and when rejected, he automatically turns violent.
@kiriki Nooo that's not in line with victim blaming. If ppl said it was Stockholm syndrome they weren't blaming Belle they were blaming the beast for her sense of intimacy and loyalty. Whether you agree or not you should have the right details. There was no victim blaming.
@Summer Rose Whitney Avalon has literally nothing to do with how beauty and the beast is seen. When Cinderella sung that verse it was considered a “Cheap Shot” which is what rappers do in a battle. Of course Cinderella is gonna bring up public criticism, especially if she wants to win. There really isn’t that many bad or terrible things to say about Belle as a character. So she attacked what she knew others attacked her for aswell. It’s a “Rap Battle”.
@Mona Bohamad2 what are you even blathering about? you said earlier you dont like getting into arguements and then go start some. seems someone just wants to make a point said but not actually bother to back that point up with anything meaningful.
Besides, insisting with the "stockolm syndrome" argument kinda put the blame on the victim and point her as the central problem instead of the beast.Like when a woman speak up and the first thing people do is scrutinice her.
I would like to say that the Beast didn’t just become a better person than Gaston. The Beast overcome HIMSELF! That is the ultimate challenge. You can be your worse enemy and the Beast show incredible growth and willingness to change and to be a better person and I think that was what signed the deal for Belle. (I love this movie growing up, still do!)
I like how they called out the enchantress for being pretty evil on here too. 😆 also, they said the curse needed to be broken by his 21st birthday and Lumiere mentioned they've been like this for a decade so this enchantress deadass cursed an 11 year old child for not allowing a strange (and probably scary-looking) woman into his home...
Fun fact: “Beauty and the Beast” lost the academy award for best picture to “Silence of the Lambs,” because without a specifically animated category of course it did. A few years later, when the show went to Broadway, Anthony Hopkins co-hosted the Tony Awards, so he narrated and introduced the “Beauty and the Beast” performance of the Broadway cast. That’s one of my favorite instances of entertainment worlds colliding.
20:50 And now I need even more therapy… only thing missing was Jim Carry in the background. 😂
Gaston wants Belle because, as he says in his first lines “She’s the best. And don’t I deserve the best?”. He views her as just another trophy to keep in his house. That’s not love.
@Dutchie_tulip ah, but he did, by attacking and hurting the people she cares for the most in an attempt to force her to become dependant on him by eliminating all of her safe spaces and offering himself as the false but only way he would be interested in refraining from piling on the suffering.
@Krendall2 It is actually a miracle he never hurt her.
Wife to Gaston means ownership not partnership, and you know he has a temper and has no trouble physically and emotionally abusing anyone, including those who actually admire and help just because he can.
I'm sure the fact that she keeps rejecting him also plays into it. His fragile ego can't handle there being a woman that doesn't want him.
Notice Gaston points his gun at her in that scene? It's about the hunt, power, control, achieving the unattainable. Powerful and subtle symbology is all throughout this film
I honestly never thought I would watch two emotionally mature guys analyzing the cinematography and feelings of my childhood movie lol this is why I love KZclip
I don't think it was meant to be seen as Stockholm syndrome. I think the people behind it were on the path of them both being outcasts and they fall for each other. Belle actually starts to fall for beast after he changes his behaviour. She fights back, she disagrees and coz he saves her from the wolves it starts a somewhat closeness. She is left alone alot. Stockholm syndrome usually has them both be around each other and it's fear base. She volunteers herself in exchange for her father. She willingly goes back to the castle when she was released.Proper Stockholm syndrome can be seen in rapunzel and mother gothel's relationship and quisimodo and count frollo.
Love this episode!! The outtake at the end was so funny, couldn't stop laughing! I got a theory about the cutlery and other items being alive: they were bought to life when the staff (Mrs. Pott, Cogworth, etc.) was transformed into objects, to help them do the chores and prepare food. That's how I see it.
Also the curse on the Beast becomes permanent on his 21st birthday which is where we see him because the rose wilts completely at the end. In 'be our guest' Lumiere says that they've been rusting for 10 years meaning that when he was cursed he was 11 and simply practicing stranger danger.
Except in the 17th Century when this story is set, nobles were basically required to give food & drink as well as suitable lodging to those in need as a sort-of code of honor/manner of sacred hospitality, which nobles of the period were expected to abide by, especially if it turns out that the poor person whom you offered room & board as well as your meals to ends up revealing themselves to be a powerful Enchantress (synonyms: sorceress, fairy, and Fae).
Whoever edited this is Godly, because that Tarzan and Gaston scream where he’s falling into the darkness is 🤌🏻
I liked the real version with Emma Watson. I thought it was good!
19:55 "You cannot buy love with a library... Or anything else."No, but you can buy it with food. Mostly cake.
I personally think Beast giving Belle the library is not going only giving her interests (Her love of books and reading) but a place for her *her own place with the Palace besides her bedroom* and more welcoming her as her home
I want y'all to do cinderella. People think she's a passive character that's just waiting for a prince to save her but I'm reality she's an abuse victim that does what she can with what little she's given and it's a really good image of feminine strength
YES! They victim blame her. Saying she is part of problem and why femist hate her.WTF! If she left, she would toss into a cathouse, if she was lucky, if not R-word and left for dead! I think Cindy knew this!...Rather live with your abusers who you known all life, and you play to their weakness, so you can better day then others, the scared with no roof over your head.
right, and the two other movies really show that
@JustMyEdits You know arranged marriages were common especially for royals. They were mostly political marriages for alliances.
@plip plop at this point I’m just liking all your comments. This comment section is weird, lots of conservative view pnts. I didn’t realize Cinderella was such a touch stone for those kind of ideologies. Learn something new every day…
I agree, I think Cinderella is a very strong person, evento she her step family was abusive to her and treated her very poorly she still stayed that sweet kind-hearted girl she always was and i love that about her, staying true to yourself can be very difficult in the face of adversity.
Gaston said he wanted Belle because she was the most beautiful girl in town, but the other girls fawning over him weren’t drawn ugly, or even plain. He for sure only wanted her because she didn’t want him. After he got her, he’d get bored with her really quickly. He’s not just a colloquial narcissist, but I think if you saw him as a real person with NPD, you can just imagine the dark future in store for her: broken spirit, isolation, abuse, gaslighting, cheating, etc.
I know I am watching this a full year after it was published but this is one of my favorite Disney movies. Yes in the non traditional/ dictionary sense it is Stockholm syndrome, but what I always loved about this movie is that Belle never changes, she is just completely herself. This movie isn't so much about how Belle, she is the catalyst for the story of how Beast changes and grows. Beast "stockholms" himself by holding such a pure person captive. She pushes back against his pig headness, and doesn't fall for his gifts, she feels compassion for him as I feel that she would have for anyone even Gaston if given the situation. Instead she teaches Beast how to be a better person by just existing in his life and I think that is where the beauty lies in this movie.
You guys mention Ted Lasso briefly. Please, please do a Ted Lasso video!! I know it's a show and not a film, but there's so much there!
Thank you! Finally someone gets it! Belle doesn't have stockholm syndrome! She doesn't love him like that till he allows her to leave expecting her to never return
the stage musical version is so stinken' good!!! It keeps what made the movie so good, but it gives more room for both Belle and the Beast to show that depth of character. I had the honor of getting to perform as Belle and just hearing the transformation music again made me cry!! 💜💜💜💜
The library scene to me as a kid was like "That's it if I don't get this from a guy he doesn't get nothing" This movie is special to me for many a reason but especially because the lead is a brunette bookworm who is a princess which meant a lot to me as a kid.
See I hate that people say that this story is just Stockholm syndrome, it’s so much more than that. It’s seeing people for who they truly are, not for what they look like or how they present themselves to people they don’t trust or know. It’s a beautiful story of a girl giving everything for her father and a beast trying his best to make it comfortable for her and being influenced for the better by her kindness and her true heart. It’s him learning that putting those whose who you love needs before your own. Yes, he started by being selfish but her influence helps him grow and learn the lessons he needed to know; he is better for simply knowing her and her genuine self.