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  • Eispalast
    Eispalast 2 ай бұрын +4185

    I was sure you were joking about the IKEA symbols on the map. But then I looked it up and they are indeed on the map. That's absolutely wild. Wow.

    • SusScrofaBob
      SusScrofaBob 10 күн бұрын

      @A Google User Seems to be a recurring theme by ikea because in the german City of Lübeck is a trainstation clled IKEA, too.

    • Simon T
      Simon T 28 күн бұрын

      @Krombopulos Michael I thought Ikea sponsored the map

    • Alex Potts
      Alex Potts Ай бұрын

      ​@Krombopulos Michael The more businesses are featured on the map, the less valuable those adverts are, that's the attention economy for you.

    • Alex Potts
      Alex Potts Ай бұрын

      ​​@PowderedGround This is what the website TVTropes calls "aluminium Christmas trees" (ie things in works of fiction which people think are made up for a joke, but are actually real).

    • Mark Wright
      Mark Wright Ай бұрын

      @dustojnikhummer No, IKEA threatened to make their hideous mess a flatpack with no spare parts support for them to reassemble if they weren't included. That's what they get for turning against Mr Harry Beck, their own design being held hostage by IKEA. :)

  • PharmaGiles
    PharmaGiles 2 ай бұрын +609

    I think Jay is the only KZclipr whose sponsor segments I actually look forward to. I hope they pay him a bonus!

    • Hand-in-Shot Productions
      Hand-in-Shot Productions 22 күн бұрын +1

      Agreed! Whereas most other ads aren't that special, an advertisement by Jay is a skit unto itself!

    • Isak Blomberg
      Isak Blomberg Ай бұрын +1

      He's a comedian, and his comedy is gold.

    • Sophie de Jong
      Sophie de Jong Ай бұрын +2

      Daniel Thrasher is also excellent at this!

    • Sionnachan
      Sionnachan Ай бұрын +6

      I never skip Jay and Internet Historian's sponsor segments because they're hilarious. On occasion I'll even listen to Max Miller's ones because you have to reward those amazing segues he does.

    • Wardenclyffe Media
      Wardenclyffe Media Ай бұрын +2

      Jay and Brutalmoose

  • Nathan McGill
    Nathan McGill Ай бұрын +160

    Important thing to note: The New York Subway map was not always a mess. Massimo Vignelli, who was a passionate believer in modernist graphic design, produced a Harry Beck-style map of the subway in 1972. It was perfect, and Vignelli is likely also turning 45 degrees in his grave as we speak

    • Zhi Han Lee
      Zhi Han Lee 21 күн бұрын

      @Shaun Young Read that New Yorkers wanted their subway map to be more geographically accurate, since some lines run closer to each other in parallel, so they could tell which line would be nearer to them. Fortunately I guess the subway largely follows the road network/layout there (as it's mostly cut & cover) which is more regular, so the map still doesn't look super messy

    • Shaun Young
      Shaun Young 23 күн бұрын +1

      @Eat the Rich That thing is, it doesn't matter.
      You know where you are starting and where you are trying to go, everything else in the middle is irrelevant. So having the map represent anything more than the route between the two stations is not very useful. And all that trying to fit geography makes the map substantially harder to read.
      When I first lived somewhere with a Beck style map, I hated it. But once I got used to it I realized my brain thinks in the same way as the map, based on transit points not actual geography.

    • Joel T. Luber
      Joel T. Luber Ай бұрын +7

      @Eat the Rich @eattherich9215 Yeah, you're right. The MTA map is pretty good for figuring out which stop is closest to a specific location, something the Underground map can't really do. It also helps that NYC has a very rigid split between urban subways and suburban commuter rail vs London where the urban subways lines are just extended out to the suburbs to serve as commuter rail. That means there different maps at different scales for urban subways and suburban rail.

    • Eat the Rich
      Eat the Rich Ай бұрын +2

      The London tube man is not really representative of what is above ground. The MTA map looks as if it might echo what is above ground.

  • Amuzic
    Amuzic Ай бұрын +792

    Back in 2007 when I visited London in a work related trip from Kolkata(which that time was the only city in India to have a metro, but it was just a single line Edit: beside Delhi which started in 2002, ), The very first day I laid my eyes on the map, I got so impressed by it, I had never seen anything like that before and yet it took me minutes to figure out, it was so intuitive and I could literally go anywhere in and around London...point to note here is, I was just 22 and hardly travelled alone anywhere in India at that point of my life...and it was my first trip abroad...that map was the biggest reason I got accustomed to London in just few days..I met and interacted and did a lot of things with many, many people there during my month long stay and nobody believed me when I said I was just a visitor.

    • Amuzic
      Amuzic Ай бұрын +2

      @Chicago Typewriter they are bringing the trams back now albeit half heartedly.

    • Amuzic
      Amuzic Ай бұрын +1

      @Varun Pany sorry i wasnt aware of it. Edited my comment.

    • Amuzic
      Amuzic Ай бұрын +1

      @Domo N Car thank you for the correction. In 2011 when i got the opportunity to ride in Delhi metro, i was even more impressed...it had all the best things from London tube plus some more.

    • Amuzic
      Amuzic Ай бұрын +1

      @Selenium Glow not a kolkata lad...i am a from Siliguri...that time I was working In Kolkata.

    • Varun Pany
      Varun Pany Ай бұрын +2

      Brother. Delhi metro had been operational for half a decade till then. This is also how Bengal got the Roshogola first. Lol

  • Mister Fox
    Mister Fox 2 ай бұрын +441

    Seeing jago hazard in this episode is awesome!

    • Will White
      Will White 21 күн бұрын

      He's a fine figure of a man

    • Astro_Dav
      Astro_Dav 21 күн бұрын

      Definitely him

    • the mad man
      the mad man Ай бұрын +1

      @Jez Davies oh no I think that wasnt him but it was a voiceover

    • Football Fumb
      Football Fumb Ай бұрын

      I did wonder about his voice.

    • Jez Davies
      Jez Davies Ай бұрын +16

      Still protecting his anonymity with the glasses, love that

  • Phuc  Yhou
    Phuc Yhou Ай бұрын +40

    How many millions of unwanted conversations and awkward eye contact moments have been avoided just reading the map while travelling on the Tube ?

    • Mark Wright
      Mark Wright Ай бұрын +5

      I suppose that's one advantage of a more complicated map, you can stare at it for hours and it's perfectly reasonable for anyone walking by, 'Anti-Beck claims another' :)
      Having said that though, a Beck design deserves to be admired, so you could reasonably stand staring at that for hours too without question, and if anyone dare asks what you're doing, 'It's a masterpiece' is all you would have to say. :)

  • julia francesca
    julia francesca Ай бұрын +86

    When I was 12, my parents took me to London for the first time. They showed me how to read the tube map on the way into the centre and on the way back, they had me direct them without any help. Such a fond memory and now the tube map holds a very special place in my heart! This was fantastic, Jay!

  • Michaela Brady
    Michaela Brady Ай бұрын +40

    As a New Yorker I thoroughly appreciated the Tube map when I first moved to London. I think it still serves an incredible purpose, even if it's just a visual aid you glance at while you're waiting for your train. The fact that it isn't this spaghetti-like mess splayed onto the literal map of the city makes it so much easier to understand where you're going.
    Also on the accessibility info, I think if the day comes when every station is fully accessible, then the symbol would be a moot point, but until then I will continue to feel betrayed by Marylebone for not having a lift from its tube platform despite being a National Rail station. 🙃

  • Jo Mo
    Jo Mo Ай бұрын +52

    I was in London a couple of weeks around the turn of the century and the tube map worked quite well for me, I never got lost on the tube, but the few times I used a bus I ended up in random locations and had to find a tube to get where I wanted. I ended up only using the buses when I wanted to sit up top and just see things with no plan.

  • Kend0
    Kend0 2 ай бұрын +724

    Can i just say this style of video is absolutely timeless? For some youtubers, you cant even go back 2 years before you hit a style of video completely different from the reason youre subscribed today. But ive just been on a binge of jay foreman videos that stretch all the way back to 2014 and its like he released them yesterday. You have a superb style of video, great content!

    • Roman Baranovichi
      Roman Baranovichi 24 күн бұрын +1

      Tom Scott is very similar, his video style hasn’t changed in 10 years

    • DFFUSE
      DFFUSE Ай бұрын +2

      I thought this video was made 10 years ago, I didn't realize it was new till I checked the date.

    • Paul Savage
      Paul Savage Ай бұрын +5

      I'm mates with Jay in real life. When I lived on a narrowboat I offered for him to film any parts of Unfinished London about the canals as there's rich history and lots of weird stuff involved.
      He said "yeah, when I get round to it". Anyway, that was 3 years ago and I sold the boat a year and a half ago.

    • Druegnor
      Druegnor Ай бұрын +9

      ~Nah..he made all his videos in 1 year and is scheduled to release all videos sequentially so he can have a nice relaxing rest somewere while composing his next syllable out sync song

    • Kend0
      Kend0 Ай бұрын +11

      @connorkapooh he definitely knows what works xD.
      Also a slight correction to my original comment, the vids didn't go back to 2014...they went back to 2009 (the unfinished northern line video)
      His style is so superb hes been making KZclip content for more than a decade in what is effectively the exact same way, but it always feels totally fresh and timeless. I'm pretty sure this is award worthy or something!

  • Estie
    Estie Ай бұрын +30

    Glad to see you got Harry Beck to be played by Jago Hazzard. I love his videos!

  • Andrey Radchenko
    Andrey Radchenko 2 ай бұрын +3

    At some point in the 2010's they swapped a perfectly fine to-scale Moscow metro map for one styled after that '30s Beck abomination. I'm still mad about it.

  • Dan Dart
    Dan Dart Ай бұрын +6

    Accessibility signs are absolutely necessary. Sure, less blobby but make all of them accessible and you won't have to have the signs if you just have one on the front.

    • sunsetyellow
      sunsetyellow Ай бұрын +3

      Yep, this 100%. There's no alternative until the entire network is accessible, and due to TfL's funding that won't be for a long long time.

  • ItsJustClary
    ItsJustClary 2 ай бұрын +2561

    The “this could’ve been a map men episode” bit made me almost spit my drink out from laughing. This episode was so good!!! Thanks!!

    • MarioFanGamer
      MarioFanGamer Ай бұрын +1

      ​@Anonymous This is not how even half-arsed databases work. (Display) names aren't (typically) unique identifiers nor profile pictures but the identifier is independent from all other variables, otherwise KZclip would have been broken _long_ ago.
      Instead, KZclip seems to be using a long ID string with various characters given the URL when you hover over a channel name, though there also seems to be a unique name not unlike Twitter independently of the display name (something which Massivive mentioned).
      Thus, even if there is a verified user named "Jay Foreman" with the same profile picture as our Jay Foreman and an actual verification checkmark (some commentor noted the imposter merely had the vegan symbol and thus didn't have identical strings) wouldn't be confused by the website because KZclip has other means to identify individual users.

    • Anonymous
      Anonymous Ай бұрын +1

      @MarioFanGamer In computer storage. If they had the same username and profile pic, then they'll be represented with the exact same bits, thus causing confusion in the servers

    • MarioFanGamer
      MarioFanGamer Ай бұрын +1

      @Anonymous Video creators are always marked in the comment section of their own videos (whether it's an individual comment or part of a chain) which avoids confusion (or at least should) with impersonators.

    • Anonymous
      Anonymous 2 ай бұрын +1

      @Massivive Oh, ok. I thought that I could be called Anonymous because despite the username being the same, the profile pic was different. But I guess not.

    • Massivive
      Massivive 2 ай бұрын +4

      @Anonymous the display name for a youtube account is actually different to the actual handle, this is why you have managed to snag the name "Anonymous" when there are no doubt thousands of others with with same display name
      if you visit this fake Jay's account properly you'll find that not only does the page use a different URL, but his handle is @johnwick8820 rather than @jayforeman

  • DarkSnake Nerdmaster
    DarkSnake Nerdmaster Ай бұрын +17

    I can explain the hypnotic bit of melbourne's map for those curious. That is a set of four tunnels linking the five stations inside the city loop together. This prevents trains having to terminate in the city and stop, thus increasing capacity. All the lines running currently diverge from one of those five stations

  • bilishu aliss
    bilishu aliss Ай бұрын +19

    I love this series. It is a feast, nay, a banquet of technicality and nerdiness (and sly digs at TfL of course)

  • Rapideye Photography
    Rapideye Photography Ай бұрын +5

    Jago Hazzard. KZclipr. Map designer extraordinaire. His talent knows no bounds

  • Tim Sully
    Tim Sully Ай бұрын +7

    That was quite possibly the funniest advert I’ve ever seen 😅 And one of the most gross, which makes it even better 🦠
    The rest of it was pretty damn good too. Good to see Jago getting on the other end of the lens for a change, though maybe a visit to a reputable opticians for a suitable set of more flattering eye glasses is in order 😉
    Sad that Beck essentially got heaved aside sans kudos for all that effort, but perhaps we can all take a crumb of comfort in knowing that bit corporations being complete exploitative, conscience-free ars*h*les, free loading at the expense, Labour and talents of hardworking people is not something that has suddenly happened, it’s just more overtly evident and better recognised these days…well, by some people any road…🤔
    Glad that he gets a foot note now though. Not exactly going to help by dipping back in time so he might actually personally benefit from his fame, but hey, he’s in good company. After all, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart died penniless and was buried in a pauper’s grave, so Harry’s in good company! 😊
    Santé et Bonne chance! 🍻🍀👍

  • Ranger64
    Ranger64 2 ай бұрын +150

    Jago Hazzard! Nice to finally get to see the man whose videos I quite enjoy. And more from Jay and MapMen, please!

  • Shawn Nielsen
    Shawn Nielsen Ай бұрын +6

    9:36 My wife and I visited London and the UK for the first time a few years ago and not having to use international data/mobile service (we're Unitedstatesians) and being able to have a physical map to navigate the Tube was a godsend.

    • rxquettes
      rxquettes Ай бұрын

      im sorry but "unitedstatesians" LMFAOOOO 💀💀💀💀🤚

  • Farah Ahmed
    Farah Ahmed 2 ай бұрын +10

    I love the Piccadilly line's route by history that they have in the trains. Makes the geography and landmarks so much more enjoyable and understandable to me as a tourist

  • Hoi Ching Wong
    Hoi Ching Wong Ай бұрын +25

    I played and paused the videos for several times from 7:40 to 7:50 to see the maps and caption. I am surprised by maps of different places and as a Hongkonger,I also feel happy about seeing the MTR map of Hong Kong :)

    • 3A
      3A 25 күн бұрын +2

      Unfortunately... It's outdated.

    • Amy Jiang
      Amy Jiang Ай бұрын +2

      I just came back from Hong Kong for geography dissertation fieldwork! (Not about the MTR haha) but I do love your map system and overall tube network over there, it’s so well done! Really love the city ❤ love from London!

  • Zünder
    Zünder Ай бұрын +12

    In 2013 I thought A LOT about this topic and eventually created what I think is the optimal tube map for Berlin (sorry London, but it is the same issue there).
    The problem with the existing map is that it looks overly complicated because the lines drawn for the train lines still
    try to resemble real geography somewhat sometimes despite the fact that for a passenger all what matters is the relative
    locations of stations to each other, rather than their location.
    So my principle behind it was to reduce the number of bends in each line drawn to the lowest possible, while keeping
    the relations of the stations and lines to each other of course. That way I could reduce the bends in the lines
    massively from 37 for all underground-stations to 7 (and similar for all overground lines which are in the same map).
    Combined with the introduction of some graphical improvements like more important stations where more lines intersect
    getting larger symbols and introducing dotted lines for underground lines and normal lines for overground ones
    (because they often have similar colours) created a far easier to read map I think.
    Ultimately this could also be implemented in an algorithm and solved for every city because train lines are well defined
    by how many stations they have and where they intersect with another line. But that is beyond my coding abilities, so
    I solved it manually for Berlin only.
    Unfortunately YT seems to forbit posting links, so I can not really share it here. Can be found on my website
    zuender.org > Work > DIY though.

    • TheEvilLobster
      TheEvilLobster Ай бұрын +2

      First of all: I LOVE THIS. I think it would take me some time to get used to the Ringbahn not being a regular "circle" anymore but that's just a matter of time. I also really really appreciate that u removed unnecessary turns and sharp angles for the lines - like S1 is now running smoothly from Rathaus Steglitz to Wannsee 💕. Oh, and U9 being a straight line now? *Chef's kiss*
      However, I do have one tiny design problem: sometimes when the lines are running parallel to each other they touch each other and sometimes there's a tiny gap between them (see: S1 + S2 vs. S8 + S9, or at corners like Landsberger Allee). But that's just a tiny thing.

    • Zünder
      Zünder Ай бұрын +2

      @David Mezei You introduce sharp corners there or allow for direction change in a station. It does look a bit cleaner regarding the stations but I tried to avoid that as much as possible because one of my rules was that a line could enter and leave station only in the same angle (or as close as possible if a direction change is unavoidable), so the eye can follow right through a station. It was a bit tricky with S8/S85 and S2/S25 in that case, so yeah perhaps your solution is better there.
      If we just allow for more lines to leave a station at a different angle, then of course moving the crossing between S1 and S25 to the station makes sense as well.
      Oh and the thicker signs for the lines' names are a big improvement as well!
      In any case I feel honoured that someone thinks about the same problems I had and uses my map somehow. Well done! :)

    • David Mezei
      David Mezei Ай бұрын +1

      @Zünder Yes, I understood the challenge that station had. I also understand the font choice. Consistency is key. Here is my take on the problem: i.kek.sh/izClU4N4ffk.png
      What do you think?

    • Zünder
      Zünder Ай бұрын +1

      @David Mezei Thanks! I chose the font because it is similar to old Berlin streetname signs, but sure it could be a bit more readable. Some stations are hard to draw and compromises have to be made. Bornholmer Str. was such a thing. It has this two lines S2 and S8 that split up to two additional lines S25/S85 and make it more complicated. In the official plan the splitting happens after Bornholmer Str. but I think this was a unnessesary complication as that doesn't matter for the passenger.
      In the official plan there are a lot more lines drawn there anyway with no additional information.
      Regarding bends I think I reached the absolute minimum in the u-bahn-only plan. I had to compromise a little bit here and there to fit in overground (S-Bahn) lines together with the U-Bahn, but it should be really close to the absolute minimum still.

    • David Mezei
      David Mezei Ай бұрын +1

      Great map. Nice work.
      Feedback: I think the font could be more readable.
      Station markers are not on the middle and the border could be thicker.
      Some lines intersect in a funky way for example Bolnholmer str. and sometimes there is extra space between the lines. I would remove most unnecessary bends and just connect them straight to the station marker.
      The choice of colours resemble the communist era.
      Initially I thought U7 ia a river - sorry I don't know Berlin 🤤
      Besides these points your map is on point.

  • Nooticus
    Nooticus 2 ай бұрын +18

    Exceptional work as always, and the view count shows it too! There are an incredible number of very humorous easter eggs for us Londoners too, which is very much appreciated! Appreciate the love for Jug Cerovic’s map too! And the ad at the end *chefs kiss*

  • Некто Лохматый
    Некто Лохматый 2 ай бұрын +5

    I agree. Having the tube map in your head, you can immediately understand where a certain place is if you just know which metro station it is.

  • Ivan Newb
    Ivan Newb Ай бұрын +1

    The London journey planner was so confusing with its directions that I resorted to using a mix of Google Maps and the tube map instead when I visited in May.

  • Sousy M
    Sousy M 2 ай бұрын +687

    I love the commentary on all the copy cat maps.
    Also, as a Melbournian, our map may be very pretty and hypnotic, but only because everything only connects in the city loop. I’m all for ruining it with upgrades, the next big plan will ruin it even more, but don’t worry it’s not due for completion till 2050 and most of the stops and connections are in the East anyway, so it probably won’t help improve services either. 😂

    • RiKShaw231
      RiKShaw231 28 күн бұрын +2

      Not pictured is the fact that you can hop off any train in the loop and hop on a tram to continue going around the loop for free. Good stuff.

    • Gabriel Shepperd
      Gabriel Shepperd Ай бұрын

      @tubester4567 8-12 minutes is generous, maybe only on some lines or just during the peak. I live less than 20 minutes from the CDB but trains are only about every 20 minutes on the weekend. The service is pretty good if you live near a station and want to go directly to the city but it can be a real headache going cross town often taking 3 to 4 times longer than driving.

    • Milo Dodd
      Milo Dodd Ай бұрын

      Now that's a fellow chip-on-the-shoulder west-melbournian if I ever spotted one.

    • StinkyRoadhog13
      StinkyRoadhog13 Ай бұрын

      As a Torontonian, our map is able to be to scale because of i think two reasons. For one, the jurisdiction of Toronto itself isn't all that big, at least, not compared to similar cities like New York and Mexico cities and London. And two, our subway network is not all that big because our governments weren't all that big on subway expansion for many decades. In fact that map will be undergoing some major changes next year. 2 LRT lines will be opening and the Scarborough RT will be closing and be replaced by an extension of line 2 in 2030. Also in 2030, a new line 3, the Ontario line will open so it won't look so simple for too much longer.

    • Justin Garro
      Justin Garro Ай бұрын

      You have this pretty map, THEN A FRIGGIN' GREEN CIRCLE RUINS IT

  • Cynewulf
    Cynewulf Ай бұрын +7

    That Jago bit just had me in hysterics 🤣
    Amazing work, Jay, as always!

  • courtney abood
    courtney abood Ай бұрын +3

    As always at wonderful produced and informative video. Thank you Jay for keeping us train/underground nerds entertained.

  • Camden Carver
    Camden Carver Ай бұрын +2

    I just realized that all those amazing online maps you showed could be used now, it's representing the same thing so if it's easier to read for certain people they can still use it. I love maps!!

  • Qingyang Zhang
    Qingyang Zhang 2 ай бұрын +2

    7:40 Four stations on the southwestern corner of the cyan coloured Line 10 (the larger loop) is in a different font from the rest. This has been a thing for ten years.

  • Joseph Brainard
    Joseph Brainard 2 ай бұрын +4499

    Mark's reaction in the end is hysterical

    • SteamboatWilley
      SteamboatWilley Ай бұрын

      I laughed out loud.

    • XalphYT
      XalphYT Ай бұрын

      @Foggy D All map is map. Here is a biscuit as your reward.

    • TypicalFoxxo
      TypicalFoxxo 2 ай бұрын +1

      @8-Bit Stream well, the original commenter can't exactly control that, right? Maybe you should criticise KZclip instead.

    • Sebastian-Benedict Flore
      Sebastian-Benedict Flore 2 ай бұрын +1

      I was thinking it the whole time

    • Foggy D
      Foggy D 2 ай бұрын +2

      @Stam Pas Jay made a whole two-parter about the Tube *MAP* without him and he only just found out.

  • Crepequeen64
    Crepequeen64 Ай бұрын

    Went to England for the first time ever earlier this year all by myself. Definitely got a bit lost at Paddington while trying to figure out the map, but after that I was able to get around London without any issues. Super satisfying once you get it down

  • slashdisco
    slashdisco Ай бұрын +1

    Surprised that Jay could make such a basic mistake as saying five guineas in the 1930s is worth £5.25 today. A guinea was one pound and one shilling, which means Beck was paid five pounds and five shillings *THEN*, which is over £300 today. A paltry sum to be sure, but still!

  • Adam Osman
    Adam Osman Ай бұрын +2

    Absolute blinder of a video, killed myself laughing and learned loads of STUFF. Just brilliant.

    IIAOPSW Ай бұрын

    Got to admit, from your response on my comment in part one I was expecting an in depth consideration of the merits of switching back to a geographical map. Especially now that (in your own words) the tube map has become a bit rubbish mess.

  • Value Network
    Value Network 2 ай бұрын +4245

    Hearing Jagos voice come out of “Harry beck” was extremely unexpected! What a pleasant surprise

    • Nzd
      Nzd Ай бұрын

      There's also a cameo from Half-Asleep Chris as Alan Foale.

    • ladiorange
      ladiorange Ай бұрын

      @XalphYT I live in South West London, close to where Jago says he lives and started listening I think relatively early. I heard him mention he "does not look like he sounds" but then also in his latest video RE: 1992 stock "I remember when these came out - I'm showing my age".... Was he 10 then? or in his 20s?? Are you also in London?

    • XalphYT
      XalphYT Ай бұрын

      @ladiorange Agreed. There's something about Jago's delivery that convinced me that he was an affable retiree living in London 😮

    • Ian Kemp
      Ian Kemp Ай бұрын

      @Jay Foreman Or is it "not yet" :)

    • Robson Brown
      Robson Brown Ай бұрын

      I was desperately looking to see if someone else saw/heard Mr Hazard !

  • Marcus Mo
    Marcus Mo  2 ай бұрын +6

    7:46 The Hong Kong MTR System map in this video is 2 years ago (outdated), as Tun Ma Line and East Rail Line Extension to Admiralty is a thing just months ago.

  • WaterUnderTheFridge60
    WaterUnderTheFridge60 Ай бұрын +3

    If you think the London tube map is a mess, just wait until you see the one for the Tokyo Subway!!! Mindboggling eye-candy! Also how much did Ikea pay TFL to have their logo on the map!

  • Polite Cube
    Polite Cube Ай бұрын +4

    7:46 want to mention that the Hong Kong map is the older version. The new version have brown and purple connected, and as a Hong Konger I hate the two lines swapping

  • Andrius Mindaugas Bloznelis
    Andrius Mindaugas Bloznelis Ай бұрын +1

    As a tourist who’s visited London twice, the tube map is easily my favorite souvenir. It’s so useful, too.

  • Michael Vaughan
    Michael Vaughan Ай бұрын

    How I would fix the tube map, as someone whose knowledge of tube maps is limited entirely to the contents of this and the previous video, thereby making me an expert, is transparencies. Start with the tube map you know and love, on a white page. Just the underground. Each other mode of transport, the light rail, buses, trams, the overground, they get printed on a transparent page. The rider can then have a map precisely as neat or as cluttered as they like, with only the information relevant to them. Live on an overground line and wand to find the most convenient spot to switch to the underground? Put the overground transparency over the tube map.
    This sounds crazy and expensive, and it is, but Jay is right: people will most likely use an app on their phone, or an information terminal (you have planning terminals right? Like those touchscreen shopping centre maps?). The physical map is just for us nerds who like artifacts to have and hold. You can still have the paper leaflets with the cluttered travesty for the tourists who need something quick, but if people want the good multi-layered map, they should be happy to hand over a pound at the info desk.

  • Peterscraps
    Peterscraps Ай бұрын

    Harry: I offer you thousands of hours of practice and research, my unrivaled skill, years of proven success and a map that can be the best it can be for the price of just using it as it is.
    TL: sorry, we gave our new project manager a crayon and he's very protective of it, we'll compromise by letting him copy your homework.

  • Lena
    Lena Ай бұрын +2

    I was in Stuttgart last week and actually used their map. It was a little bit confusing. Took me ages to make out which colour was which line. I just had to go for 2 stations, so Google Maps wasn't really that helpful.

    • Cyryl Kraft
      Cyryl Kraft Ай бұрын

      Allgemeiner Benutzer Fehler

  • Alex Smith
    Alex Smith 2 ай бұрын +3

    Love it. Wish you had the time and resources to make videos more frequently. Easily one of favourite channels on KZclip.

  • RBernsCarter 1990
    RBernsCarter 1990 2 ай бұрын +125

    I get really anxious being on the tube (and in London in general, it’s too busy and crowded for my liking) and I find it really helps to stare at the maps on the tube and count the stops I have left before I get off or follow all the tube lines to pass the time and distract me

  • Kafen8d
    Kafen8d Ай бұрын +3

    Ikea stores are usually considered a landmark, thanks to the insanely tall sign. The one in Colorado sued the city because they wanted to install a taller sign than was legally allowed, and they won. They have the tallest and largest sign in Denver, towering over a bridge on the highway.

    • Aurea Vita
      Aurea Vita Ай бұрын +1

      The Ikea Empire shall have what it requires.

    • Ognjen Šijak
      Ognjen Šijak Ай бұрын +2

      How did they win the case?

  • Ashley Balderston
    Ashley Balderston Ай бұрын

    Poor Beck!!! What a bloody shafting he received! Nice to see he’s getting the recognition now but still. Whoever at TFL made that decision should be ashamed.

  • Zach
    Zach Ай бұрын +5

    As someone from Toronto its a bit sad seeing our bare bones ass line with like no interconnections compared to all these other amazing networks :(

  • Lauren McAuley
    Lauren McAuley Ай бұрын +1

    Love the Melbs feature! Kinda excited for what the metro tunnel will bring

  • TheZacman2
    TheZacman2 Ай бұрын +6

    You are the definition of a high-effort KZclipr.

  • hbfdfgjcyk
    hbfdfgjcyk Ай бұрын +2

    7:46 this is actually the old mtr map, there's recently been a new station added (exhibition centre) between hung hom and admiralty so the east rail line (light blue) connects directly onto the hk island line (dark blue) now

  • artemiswolfang
    artemiswolfang Ай бұрын +3

    I found the Tube map to be very useful on my trip to London (though not as much as the lines listed inside the train itself) as I had no data on my phone. I do wish it had been a bit less cluttered though... it's a bit hard to read, especially if you're not familiar with London.

  • TKV Sci Geo Gadgets
    TKV Sci Geo Gadgets Ай бұрын +5

    🤣That is by far the funniest and most creative ad plug I have ever seen from any KZclip creator ever🥇

  • Kimon Froussios
    Kimon Froussios Ай бұрын +7

    Love how Tim's subtitles take lots of... poetic liberty.

    • Claudandus
      Claudandus Ай бұрын

      not so cool for the people tvat actually use captions tough. how do i know what was actually said and what was added

    • pfisherking
      pfisherking Ай бұрын +1

      That was Tim Traveler! Thank you, I wasn't sure.

  • Cowman 979
    Cowman 979 Ай бұрын

    8:41 Thats the kind of issue that will always persist no matter how accessible symbols are done, unless the overground was made accessible too, but thats too difficult

  • Mando
    Mando Ай бұрын

    I was with you until you asked if we need accessibility information on the map.

  • Aarre Peltomaa
    Aarre Peltomaa Ай бұрын

    9:12 That one is really nasty; it burns my eyes just to see those 90 degree turns. Too psychodelic ! There should be 2 or 3 versions of the Tube Map available based on what a person needs; if a person isn't 'physically challenged', and doesn't ride the Overground, then he would opt for the simplified version. Yes ?? Aarre Peltomaa

  • Wasteland Customs
    Wasteland Customs 2 ай бұрын +5

    I now know what Jago Hazzard looks like!!! For some reason, I always thought of a tall, thin man in a long coat and wide-brim hat.

  • TheStoryMouse
    TheStoryMouse Ай бұрын +1

    These videos are unfailingly brilliant. Thank you SO much!

  • Aaron Koelker
    Aaron Koelker Ай бұрын +2

    How dare you make me stop and pause the video in half-second increments a double dozen times to read your insightful critiques of each international map

  • axolotllan
    axolotllan Ай бұрын +1

    I love the comment for the TTC map. comment I wonder if he managed to stumble into seeing the map of the underground paths, Terrible inconsistent internet access and very easy to get lost in if you don't save a map ahead of time to find your way out.

    • rddragon5
      rddragon5 Ай бұрын

      You're talking about *the* PATH which yes probably hides a Minotaur somewhere in its labyrinthine halls

  • George Helyar
    George Helyar Ай бұрын

    The Elizabeth line is such a disappointment. It's the same line out to reading as before, you still have to change at Paddington even if you're already on the Elizabeth line, they just use crappy tube trains where there used to be proper trains so you can spend the time in less comfort, and then added it to the London tube map for some reason.

  • Thomas Morten
    Thomas Morten Ай бұрын +3

    this could’ve been a map men episode - made me burst out laughing

  • Emily
    Emily Ай бұрын +1

    I love the tube map, I even bought a mug with it on when I went to London in 2011. I use it every day

  • Put GOD First
    Put GOD First 2 ай бұрын

    I used to be obsessed with a london map therefore I used it for my 2nd year final project when I was in the college, I took lots of abstract drawings and also made a game out of it. Lots of animations, redrawing, writing scripts, etc..😰🥴😅... Well it was a very large project that didn't finish however today I am happy to know who was the original designer. 🤣 He looks looner like me who anyone can take advantage of. 😭😭🤣🤣

  • Gavin Freedman
    Gavin Freedman Ай бұрын

    Hilarious episode as always. I have a poster of the really rubbish map on my toilet door.

  • Midas
    Midas Ай бұрын +1

    Normally I would really not give a shit about this subject but Jay always finds a Way to make it funny

  • Builder Bob
    Builder Bob Ай бұрын +3

    Its always been so wild to me. I love the realistic maps like New York's and could never understand why everyone likes the design most everywhere else uses.

    • A
      A Ай бұрын

      Because they’re the easiest to use.

  • Joyo Snooze
    Joyo Snooze Ай бұрын +8

    I went to Paris and used their metro system extensively. I don't speak or understand a lick of French and I had no idea where I was going, but it was easy to navigate. Literally- dot A -> B -> C.. etc
    I'm native to the UK. I've been to London twice. I remember standing in front of the map of the Tube and it was like looking at a brain scan. To this day I have no comparison to how lost I felt.

    • FluorineWizard
      FluorineWizard Ай бұрын +2

      Every map leaflet for the Paris Metro and every station feature both an abstract network diagram and a geographically accurate map. The trick here is that those maps show a much smaller area as they only include Paris proper and the closest suburbs that are basically extensions of the center. Whereas maps of London actually cover most of the metropolitan area which is absolutely massive. Paris would also look a mess if one were to cram the outer suburbs.

  • soapymargherita
    soapymargherita Ай бұрын +1

    Hey Jay, I remember seeing you supporting Dave Gorman at Farnborough 6th form college in like 2002/03. No idea who you were but thought you were super funny, and I'm so glad you have these channels now because you're still great. Good job.

    • soapymargherita
      soapymargherita Ай бұрын +1

      @Jay Foreman oh woops. I assumed it was while I was actually at college. Well my point stands :)

    • Jay Foreman
      Jay Foreman  Ай бұрын +2

      Hello! I supported Dave Gorman on his 2011 tour, so it wasn’t as long ago as it feels. :)

  • Non Descript
    Non Descript 2 ай бұрын +4

    Wasn't expecting to see Jago Hazard in your video. Seeing him is a pleasant surprise.

    LARAUJO Ай бұрын +3

    9:12 Max Roberts' 2nd one in the shape of the Underground logo is both hilarious and pretty easy to read

  • 100K Sub Challenge Without Videos

    Jay Foreman never disappoints!!

  • HimOff TheQuakerOatBox
    HimOff TheQuakerOatBox Ай бұрын +3

    7:45 The problem with the Paris map is that when it gets exposed to sun & muck there are several shades of blue/teal/green that look the same, and also the /orange /brown.
    P.S. If it's worth putting text on screen, it's worth leaving it up long enough to read. If it's not worth reading, don't put it at all.

  • Niko
    Niko 2 ай бұрын +2

    When I first saw the video name, I thought it would be a Map Men video, but this series is just as amazing!

  • Clarence
    Clarence Ай бұрын

    totally agree that a lot of clutter can and should be removed, but not the accessibility info. that is vital, and disabled commuters should be able to see it quickly and easily. their commute is already complicated enough i imagine, judging by how little stations are actually fully step-free from train to street.
    ofc the true solution is to make everything accessible so the info is redundant, as someone else in this comment section has already suggested. but until then it should always remain on the map

  • David Gustavsson
    David Gustavsson Ай бұрын +26

    As a tourist in London, the tube map was absolutely crucial. An app is great if you know what you're doing, but being able to check station for station that you're on the right line in the right direction is invaluable.

  • Brickley yard
    Brickley yard Ай бұрын

    I like the map I not been living in London for nearly 5 years now whent back for the first time in 5 years and didn't have any problems understanding it at all I think there is a lot going on and yes it could do with a tidy but I think it's perfectly readable

  • Artur Schneider
    Artur Schneider Ай бұрын +1

    Jays ads are always at the very least as good as the videos, quality right there

  • jameson stalanthas yu
    jameson stalanthas yu Ай бұрын +2

    I love the London Tube map, but I also love my fictional Alice in Wonderland Tube map and Hobbit Tube map as well.

  • SeventeenF
    SeventeenF Ай бұрын

    7:40 "It feels dirty completing their metro map" - well, it feels really dirty complimenting this video after seeing that particular comment. As if ordinary employees of the design bureau that did the map (and built upon almost a hundred years of history in doing so) are to blame for the actions of some most certainly not Moscow Metro-related branches of the government a few months ago. I swear, it's as if Westerners have finally found something that's cool to hate after decades of being told that hate is never okay, and now all those repressed feelings of xenophobia have finally found a convenient and acceptable target.

    • Jay Foreman
      Jay Foreman  Ай бұрын

      That’s a fair complaint, and I feel bad about what I said.

  • mickimicki
    mickimicki Ай бұрын

    The Berlin map at 7:44 is outdated. The gap between U5 and U55 has been closed with a couple of new stations. (The line does have a very uninspired brown colour on the map, but the new stations look rather nice.)

  • Jet C
    Jet C 2 ай бұрын +4

    Tim the traveler and Jago Hazzard cameo just made my day

  • Dominic Johnson
    Dominic Johnson 2 ай бұрын +3

    Is everyone out here not appreciating that incredible cameo? I can't be the only one who saw it!

  • Boabywankenobi
    Boabywankenobi 2 ай бұрын +138

    Harry Beck voicing Jago Hazzard was a skillful, deft touch. Well played sir.

    • Snooker Da Dooka
      Snooker Da Dooka Ай бұрын

      I caught that too. Came looking for a comment to confirm. 🤣

    • Tulle Rönnmyr
      Tulle Rönnmyr Ай бұрын +4

      ​@Jay Foreman No wonder Mr Hazzard avoids showing his face if he has to wear glasses like that!

    • THjelm
      THjelm Ай бұрын

      @Owen Harcombe Oh, I must have missed that one!

    • B3G8
      B3G8 Ай бұрын

      @Jay Foreman :O

    • Owen Harcombe
      Owen Harcombe Ай бұрын +3

      @THjelm Geoff Marshall was in part 1!

  • Rhittours London Busman
    Rhittours London Busman Ай бұрын

    I think the London Overground and Elizabeth Line could go on the Southeast Railway Map or Southern Railway Map.

  • Josh Aston
    Josh Aston Ай бұрын

    You should go look up the Glasgow subway map, that is even more mind boggling!

  • Benjamin Chadwick
    Benjamin Chadwick Ай бұрын

    "You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of loyal service". Love it!!

  • hedgehog3180
    hedgehog3180 Ай бұрын +2

    I've noticed that you've started producing content in large bursts of one series rather than switching between them.

    • hedgehog3180
      hedgehog3180 Ай бұрын

      @Jay Foreman Ah so it's just the release schedule that has changed?

    • Jay Foreman
      Jay Foreman  Ай бұрын +2

      It’s always been that way. Every video in my channel was produced back to back with at least one other video. (The last 11 Map Mens were all written/filmed in one go.)

  • osobaum
    osobaum Ай бұрын +3

    The Stockholm rail map is great! No unnecessary clutter, just our three types of train line and no tram lines, busses or Ikea markers.

    • osobaum
      osobaum Ай бұрын

      it's actually amazing that it's been kept readable considering all the infrastructure constantly being added.

    • mooble
      mooble Ай бұрын


    • osobaum
      osobaum Ай бұрын +1

      Thanks Harry Beck!

  • Kornoth
    Kornoth Ай бұрын

    Simple fix to the map, keep everything and just add filters.

  • Matéo Corso
    Matéo Corso Ай бұрын

    This map of the parisian metro is a new one. The old one was easier to read, but less smooth and conceptual.

  • Faye Cadman
    Faye Cadman Ай бұрын

    Cameo by @jagohazzard ? Great to see 😀 Informative as ever, Jay.

  • Ian McGurren
    Ian McGurren Ай бұрын +2

    2:47 Camden Town to Mornington Crescent? Unless you’re playing the 1911 Lord Walthrop variation (Regency amendment) then you’re going to find yourself in Nidd, pretty sharpish.

  • angelicMisha
    angelicMisha Ай бұрын

    Wow, Jug Cerovic's design is genuinely gorgeous to look at.

    • Jay Foreman
      Jay Foreman  Ай бұрын

      I wish I had the time and space to show you the whole zoomed out thing in full. It’s extremely clever and beautiful - the best of the bunch by far!

  • Osman
    Osman 2 ай бұрын

    The representation of Thameslink at 08:40 seems especially vindictive as the core stations basically all line up in a straight vertical line

    • Jay Foreman
      Jay Foreman  2 ай бұрын +1

      I know, right?! And that interchange at Farringdon which is longer on the map than the distance of the actual interchange itself!

  • Toni
    Toni Ай бұрын

    You're quite right, I haven't been to England in 55 years but it's the way I see London my brain. It's the only way I ever found my way round the city.

  • The Aircrafter
    The Aircrafter Ай бұрын +2

    Is no one gonna talk about how this man somehow goes Half-Asleep Chris here. I recognize that facial features anywhere

  • Красное Пламя
    Красное Пламя Ай бұрын

    Well, we use two different maps in Prague, Czechia. One with metro and the other one with metro and trams.