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I think part of the reason why Umbridge is so universally hated above Voldemort is that she exemplifies a lot of people. She's the unfair boss, the cruel teacher, the unforgiving leader. Voldemort is just your run-of-the-mill bad guy that the main character fights. Almost everyone knows an Umbridge, but almost no one knows a Voldemort.
@Caitlin Blanchard Nobody has denied that Voldemort is evil and dangerous, but he's a kind of supervillain that you hardly will encounter in real life.But a person like Umbridge is more realistic, which is why she gets under people's skin and gets more hatred.
Yes! It’s the equivalent of envy, no one envied the Queen as no one can relate to her, as no one can relate to a dictator like voldermort, but those mini bullies and managers we encounter every day - their micro evil fiefdoms ..
Very good point. Voldemort epitomizes evil in more of an abstract way, sort of the “out there” evil, whereas Umbridge is “in here” evil. She represents the corrupt and tyrannical aspects of the institutions.
Agreed. She's more human, so she's scarier.
"Kindness won't always change someone, but it shows them *you* won't be changed."I love this. Thank you, Wholesome Cinema Dads!
"Wholesome Cinema Dads" should be the new name of their channel XD
Love this too, absolutely! Kindness won't always change someone's heart, but it shows them you won't be changed!
"cinema dads" What a perfect description 🤣
I am a writer and I sometimes find it hard to create compelling, interesting, and relatable characters. So what I've begun to do is pretend my character is in a movie you two are reviewing and imagine what you would say about them, good, bad, and everything in between. It has really helped me develop interesting and well rounded characters, so thank you very much
Same though. Plus, since I have a bunch of toxic moments with my family, I also kinda channel that energy into the antagonists.
Yess let us know🌟🌟prayers for a successful career🌸
I hope your writing comes along well. Notify us when it comes out !
Please please let me know when your first book comes out I would love to read it
Well... that seriously got me interested in your stories!
I think Harry's most important moment was discovering the man he admired and respected (his father) was a bully. Up until that moment Harry's view of the world was kinda black-and-white. Suddenly finding out his father bullied Snape made him understand just how easy it was to abuse power and how easy it was to justify that abuse.
@unlucky lizard i love that he compares them to himself! Dumbledore too, who was 17 and power hungry, planning wizard domination, while Harry at 17 was in exile hunting horcruxes. it felt like a very relatable and realistic reaction
@Gretta Mulroy Actually I responded and countered every single one of your arguments. you can read can't you babe? Considering the fact that you haven't actually responded to my very true counterarguments I'm getting the feeling you know I'm right. I gave you the information that tells you're wrong and more but no response from you about what we were actually talking about. I'll give you another chance girly. go through my reply again (actually read it through this time) and come up with some more arguments for snape that I haven't already countered.
@lucy kim Not really, considering you haven't acknowledged any of the points I just brought up. All you've done is said rude sht, and in spite of your insistence, shown that it's you who hasn't read the books very closely.
@Gretta Mulroy i already proved you wrong your just being dumb rn. Lmao read the books and actually get it through your head that making fun of someone when your 15 and literally joining the deatheaters willingly are two different levels of shitty. Lily already said in the books that snape was friends with kids who turned out to be murderers and torturers. They did terrible stuff to kids in hogwarts. Not just flipping them upside down and shit like james did. They preformed dark arts on them. And snape was friends with kids like that. whos to say he didnt to that to? read between the lines girly and dont be dumb
@Gretta Mulroy You do know that Snape WILLINGLY became a deatheater. He likes the darks arts and he and his deatheater friends as lily said agreed with what voldemort was doing. That alone makes james a WAY better person. And don't forget Snape provoked james first on the train as i already said. Maybe read a bit more carefully babe
I always found it sweet that Richard Griffiths, the man who played Vernon Dursley, was so kind and mentoring towards Daniel Radcliffe that the latter found it difficult to act intimidated by him during their scenes together. Even after HP was over, they went on to do some stage plays together.
the women who played umbridge would throw up after inhabiting that character.
@ribbonsofnight It's not about being nice, these 2 went out of their way to be there for the child
@Broadway Brook Or how Bill Skaarsgard was to the much younger cast in It. That was the kind of role where going method would be a terrible idea.
@Broadway Brook it would be pretty horiffic if the director, narrator and one of the stars of the movie wasn't nice to the child star.
@Tareltonlives It's like how Danny DeVito was actually really kind and sweet to Mara Wilson backstage of "Matilda." So it makes it interesting when you watch scenes where Mr.Wormwood is being mean to Matilda.
I think the way Umbridge dresses, her obsession with the colour pink or the cat plates are not a mask at all, but rather they point to her own self perception; She doesn’t feel evil, she is the innocent one in her story following the “right path” and abiding by all the rules, living an orderly and appropiate lifestyle and reconducting those who deviate from it. She is doing others a service by helping them be “better”. To me the most dangerous people are those who do horrible things with a clear consciousness.
I’ve worked with cozy looking Librarians like Umbridge - there’s nothing cozy about them at all, micro evils in fluffy pink cardis!
I was reading somewhere on the D&D moral alignments of the Harry Potter characters. Umbridge is one of the clearest cut examples of Lawful-Evil in film or literature. She is all about the rules, and uses the rule of law to justify harming people. She loves to torture people and cause pain. Dolores Umbridge therefore sees herself as a hero of law and order, and therefore justifies her brutal methods.
@Délire ENT. I agree with you. I love trying to understand villains and anti-heroes. It's so interesting, but it's also frustrating when I overlook something, or the character's inner motivation is unclear to the audience (I prefer to know inner motivations because it helps me pinpoint exactly what they're lacking or feel like they're lacking.)
After physical bullying I developed severe anger issues, for the next 3 years of my life I kept fighting against myself in my head that I was eating shit during every meal. While eating tomato or chilli sauce I fought against myself in my head that I was eating menstrual period blood. During EVERY single second of those 3 years I also kept fighting against myself in my head that the bullies were sodomizing me and my family members. As a result I severely couldn't concentrate during exams and classes. I am still having self esteem issues 14 years on from the incident.I went to army and didn't do some admin work due to fighting myself in my head and army people thought I was lazy and thus bullied me as well.This is why I have zero sympathies and zero tolerance for bullies. I am 32 years old and don't even have a first girlfriend, partly sabotaged due to bullying. I have also missed out on $260,000++ of opportunity cost in earnings from jobs. I went to teach the bullies a lesson by cyberbullying/harassing them online, the bullies were so "strong" until they went to call the police LOL, but like I mentioned above, I have zero regrets.
I think you manage to Make me understand Umbridge better ! Since i'm Reading the Book, they're a lot of mean character that I like because I find them really interessing to understand their Minds (like Pétunia Dursley, Crouch jr., Peter Pettigrew, Percy Weasley) but for Umbridge, I didn't liked her as a character (as a person, this is totally normal to hate her) because I didn't managed to understand her way to think. No I think I get it better
Please do a video on friendship! Especially how having Ron on his side from day 1, and Hermione later, gives Harry so much more strength and shapes his personality for years to come. Ron's friendship to Harry is challenged a few times in the series but he never leaves.
There was also a thing Snape never got over - James Potter saved his life. And Snape could never forgive him this, cause he couldn’t stand to owe him anything. And that’s also a reason why he protects Harry, he wants to kinda give it back to James so he doesn’t owe him anything anymore and could just hate him again.
Not true. James Potter "saved" his life which was put into danger by him in the first place. The only reason he decided to switch sides & protect Harry because of his guilt of causing Lily's death. He doesn't care about about james, he didn't care about Harry in the begining but definitely grew to care about him in the end (his conversation with Dumbledore in the memory suggest so).
Thing about Severus and Lily, I don't think it was really all that much that she fell in love with the bully instead of him and he couldn't do anything about it. In the book it made it look like her love came later for one thing, after he managed to mature a bit. But another very big thing is that it kind of looked like he had a chance and blew it, letting himself go deeper and deeper into the darkest parts of his House's views until, out of instinct and/or to maintain his face among his "friends", he called Lily a Mudblood right to her face. His isn't so much the story of a man whose love was doomed because the girl loved his bully as that of a man whose choices and mistakes shattered any hope he ever had of being with her.
What I noticed about the saying "Hurt people hurt people" applying to this situation is that in the books, it is shown that Harry's aunt Petunia hates Harry because he is the son of her sister, whom was beloved by her parents more than Petunia. She felt bitterness towards him because he was a representation of her sister, the favorite child. This almost mirrors Snape in a way...
@Délire ENT. *redemption; and tbh, I don't know that Snape can ever be fully redeemed. Regardless of what he did after, this man told Voldemort of a prophecy that doomed a child to death. And then he spent 16 years bullying children, which wasn't necessary and caused a lot of anxiety for his pupils. He's a grey character. He's not fully good, but he's not entirely evil.
I think it's more about the resentment that her sister had magic and she didn't. She wanted to be a witch too and go to Hogwarts and when she realized that she couldn't be special like her sister, it made her resent magic and view Lily as a freak. To her magic took her sister away, not only through death, but separating their worlds. Petunia couldn't enter the magic world and she got left behind.
@Délire ENT. and considering sanpe is lowkey just Pervy she def needs more credit . If Harry was a girl Harriet or hanna yall would be freaked out about his little adventures with Hanna or Harriet not to mention y’all hate LF yet his thing for catelyn is legit the same as snape for Lilly he even developed that thing with sansa yet yall seemingly hate his guts when he’s the got snaps.
Umm no in the books they love them both the same she’s older and just has that narrative I mean she’s right to have that narrative but no one ever loved her any less Lilly loved her the parents loved her she was so attached to Lilly that she insisted she go with Lilly and it was DD whom crushed her showing he’s not morally god either he’s right she’s not magical but f134 she was a child and turned hurt into hate
@nessnness that’s part of it
The most interesting part of Harry's story arc re bullying has to be when he discovers Snape's memories and sees his own father being a bully to Snape. He's really disappointed in his Dad's ugly behavior. It explains Snape -- he just assumes Harry is like James and projects his anger onto him. I really find it fascinating that Harry could have been a very different person had he not been raised by his Muggle relatives -- because of their abuse, he can empathize with the vulnerable, and he chooses to act in contrast to those who abuse power and instead to fight for good.
@Mia Moon Nor do I. However, he knew they wouldn't treat him like something special and spoil him. But it was also important for Harry to be protected by his aunt's blood until he was old enough to have a fighting chance against Voldy. It's possible that Dumbledore still had a bit of the philosophy of sacrificing one for the good of the many, for the greater good, from his younger days. Dumbledore knew exactly what the Dursleys were like. MgGonagle told him. But I think that's why these characters all ring so true. They're all flawed. They don't always make the best decisions. It's not all obvious, and they just do the best they can.
@Superstar Whimsy I don't think Dumbledore expected Harry's relatives to actually be abusive.
@Matt Pace I have but I didn't understand your wording. I agree with you of course. I also hate it when people try and victimize and justify Snape's actions. I've even seen people say that Snape's evilness was a product of James' cruelty which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. I haven't met many harry potter fans who think in the same way we do. Very refreshing.
@lucy kim No, I'm saying people are not realizing that comparing Harry and Draco's rivalry to that of James and Snape's-which I've seen plenty of people do in order to justify Snape's behavior and demonize Harry's-is a poor argument that only makes Snape look worse.I take it you've never seen anyone try to make that argument?
@Matt Pace I don't quite understand what your saying? So you think James is a bully?
I think Umbridge infuriates people because she exemplifies the unfairness of the world. Her actions represent dangerous, systemic, and abstract concepts like fascism and government censorship, but also remind us of personal slights we've all experienced due to an imbalance of power. Like when adults (or whoever's in charge) doesn't believe you and completely overrides your truths.
@Tracy 42 Snape is mean. He gets away with a fair bit of abuse too. He found ways to dock points from students, to continuously punish Harry for basically existing. While Umbridge holds more power in the scheme of things, she and Snape are cut from the same cloth in terms of how they wield their power.
@Tracy 42 True. She pretends she's not like Snape when she really is the same
@Tareltonlives ...not really "just like Snape"; Snape's *obviously* mean; Umbridge's meanness is *sneaky*, hidden under that "sweetness". She gets away with a LOT of subtle or hidden abuse.
Just like snape
In the book Malfoy says: "or he'll kill my family," big difference and huge insight into how much of a role his family played in making him 'evil'Edit: Managed to start a debate about how the Adams Family and the Draco Family differ in morals.
I've always found it stupid that Malfoy not having it in him to kill Dumbledore is treated as a redemption when all it proves is that for all his "I'm gonna join the Dark Lord and kill all the Mudbloods" he was all talk. How some people ship him with Hermione is beyond me because in Chamber of Secrets he was ecstatic about the basilisk attacking people and said he hoped Hermione died.
@Fleet Skipper Lucius was kind of harsh on Draco occasionally, but he didn't bully or abuse him. He actually spoiled him for the most part. Also, if Lucius is the elder Malfoy you're talking about, Lucius didn't have a role in Voldemort using Draco. He was in Azkaban at the moment, and Voldemort made Draco a Death Eater to punish Lucius for failing his mission at the Department of Mysteries. Rowling implies that Draco slightly rebelled against his parents by marrying Astoria Greengrass, but it didn't seem to be that big of a deal.
@Fleet Skipper Hi Fleet, I think you bring up a lot of very good points here. I think in a way it is also easier to be Harry since it is a lot more clearcut for him to want to leave, and he also enters into a new seperate world, compltele with a loving substitute family who has no affiliation with the Dursleay's at all, and he gets mentors, friends, and is seen as a person with value since he as a baby is seen as powerfulr enough a witch to stand against the biggest antagonizor. So Harry has a much easier time to go to a new world and start over. Draco was born in that world, and his family is known to everyone there. And his family also go to the same free time sport events as Draco would i.e. Quidditch for instance and their social cicle is tied to some of Draco's classmates. Where Harry's is not. So even if Draco broke away in his teens his familys reputation and presence would follow him around. This is the issue Sirious Black had and it is addressed in the books. I also think Harry's worse situation is in a way better because it is very clear cut, and his Wizard life offers a new world to grow up in with a clear break from everything related to his childhood abusers.
@T Turing I agree with you. However, no one has mentioned that Draco was the only son of a sneering, dismissive father, and that put a terrible burden on him as a child. It would be extremely difficult for Draco to break free of his father’s influence, given the fact that Draco has enjoyed an easy life. Draco was bullied by his father, just like Harry was treated by the Dursleys. Frickers mother may have been the victim of emotional abuse from the father. If he hadn’t lived in the lap of luxury, maybe Draco would’ve been as eager to get away from home as Harry was. That’s not an excuse for Draco, just an explanation. At the end of the 8th movie, he walks off from Hogwarts with his mother and leaves his father behind to follow them at a distance. Obviously the elder Malfoy is extremely afraid of Voldemort, too afraid to stand up to him, and because of that, has empowered Voldemort to use Draco in a terrible way.Draco does break free in the end, but only because of his mother’s influence.So, I think that Harry was luckier than Draco to grow up with the Dursleys, knowing from the start that they weren’t his real parents and that he was not destined to be just like them. That path wasn’t available to to Draco until Draco was much older than Harry was. The older you get, the harder it is to change your ways. The easier it is to be complacent about the way things are for you, and the harder it is to confront your own failings through introspection.
@Lex Hdz Which means he would still be evil, since he would never stop loving his family. It was his family being endangered that made him turn against Voldemort. His family is still evil, so there's no reason for him to stop being evil
Okay, it is true that Snape got an interesting backstory and was revealed to work for the good side after all.But still, I will never get why Harry named his son after a sadist teacher.
@Brian Foss You’re right, of course.But I guess that Dumbledore could have let Snape take on the older students and let another teacher take the younger students. He did a thing like that with Sybil Trelawney and Firenze when he understood that he had to keep them both as teachers. And I get that Dumbledore was ashamed of what he almost became as a young man, but I don't agree that letting kids be abused and mistreated is a good idea.That can easily make the kid grow up to become just as bad themself or to suffer from severe psychological problems. And in the end, Dumbledore could at least see that letting Harry have private lessons in occlumency with Snape was a mistake.
@Furienna Where else would Snape have worked, though? If he'd been set up for a Ministry job, it would be much harder for him to be a triple agent, since he'd be working with Death Eater spies on a daily basis. Working for Gringotts as a curse-breaker wouldn't be particularly useful to Dumbledore and might tempt him to relapse into his obsession with the Dark Arts. Snape definitely doesn't have the affable personality needed to run a shop and keep regular customers happy either. No, as a Hogwarts professor, Dumbledore could keep him in line by dangling the DADA post as a reward. He'd be free to do some independent experiments with Potions, mentor exceptional NEWT students, and keep tabs on Death Eaters through their kids at school. Also, Dumbledore is overcompensating for his own experiences at Hogwarts - none of his teachers ever told him he was anything less than brilliant/perfect/the best wizard of his generation. If he'd had a shred of humility upon graduating, he wouldn't been so taken by Grindelwald's plans for wizard domination of Muggles. And as far as Dumbledore knew, he was the only teacher who'd ever been suspicious of Tom Riddle - all the others were quite easily charmed by him. He knows that even if Harry isn't as brilliant as himself or Voldemort, a lot of the smartest and most ambitious kids of his year will want to be on Harry's side. He's the hero - the lone survivor. So they need to be run through the fire with a mercilessly strict, bitterly unfair teacher who will never praise their work no matter how exceptional it is. Hermione would've been laser-focused on racking up points for herself in Potions if Snape hadn't bullied Neville.
@Tia Here I know, but it can be hard to let go off old grudges sometimes.This is where Snape should have admitted that he couldn't be a professional teacher and asked Dumbledore to find him another job, but he didn't do that.
@Furienna i understand that he hated james potter because he was a bully to him but why take that out on his son?? thats like beating up a british guy cause his great-grandpa was a racist
@Tia Here That is true, but there is fortunately more to Snape than that.After all, he did work for the good side in the end (yeah, he only did that because of Lily's death, but still, he did help her son with defeating Voldemort). Furthermore, I have to love that moment in the fourth book when he showed Fudge that his Death Eater mark was glowing (that was really badass).And he didn't know that Harry had been abused too until the fifth book, so he thought that he had been just as spoiled as James had been until then.But overall, Snape was definitely a morally grey character with many negative attributes. And I'll never get why Harry named one of his sons after him after how he treated Neville and also Ron and Hermione to a lesser extent.
I think she caught real kittens and imprisoned them in those tea plates. Look at how some seem to be trying to get out.
I would LOVE a psychology of a hero series for some of the more “minor” characters: luna lovegood, neville longbottom, molly weasley, the list goes on..!Or to look at the concept of fate vs creating your own destiny through the lens of the prophecy.In any case more harry potter please!!!
Dumbledore and Hagrid videos pretty please!
I think an examination of mentorship through Harry Potter could also be really interesting! A look at who affected and taught this orphan and what influences they had exactly on building him into the person who was able to defeat his nemesis
Sirius Black deserves some analysis. He was like Draco - child of pureblood fanatics who tried to make him in their image, but he rebelled and finally escaped when he was 16 and taken in by the Potters. In the novel we meet the portrait of Sirius' horribly abusive mother, Walburga, who taught Kreacher to hate anyone not pureblood or who didn't espouse pureblood supremacy.
My favorite little detail in the Prisoner of Azkaban is how Snape grabs Harry's collar of his shirt, he's obviously pissed at him and you can tell he's ready to absolutely chew Harry out, but then he hears Lupin growl and without thinking, completely on instinct, he puts his arms around all three of them and pulls them all behind him to protect them and let's himself be struck by Lupin to protect the kids. I think that's such an underrated moment for Snape's character that when the kids are truly in danger he protects them.
I have said, and will continue to say, that Alan Rickman's version of Snape is the superior version of Snape. Sure, he has his dickish moments, but I can tell that Alan is still a good dude deep down. The book version of Snape does some irreprehensible things, and I cannot believe that he is a good man.
In the books Harry met Draco in Diagon Alley, buying robes. His first thought was that this boy is obnoxious and the second was that he reminds him of Dudley. Basically these were huge red flags, he figured out that he didn't want another Dudley in his life, and when they met again in the train, he was ready to stood up to himself.
@PB&Jess How Hagrid is treated shows the quality of the character: the Malfoys hate him, Fudge doesn't like him, and Umbridge really didn't like him. Terrible people hate Hagrid, dating back to Voldemort framing him.
Also, draco had disrespected Hagrid during that part of the book. Harry didn't like how badly he talked about his friend and was happy to be away from him
@Tanvi Tasnim Bingo
@Tareltonlives it’s obvious tho why it flies over people’s heads Draco’s conventionally attractive and Dudley’s not people are willing to look over Draco’s flaws but not Dudley’s because of that sole reason
It's the most obvious thing in the world is that Dudley and Draco are two sides of the same coin, but it flies over people's heads.
On the topic of the OTT pink style of Umbridge, I read it years ago that the colour pink has pacifying effects on people, especially men who generally display aggressive and intimidating behaviour. So when I undertook some safety training on the job (I worked for the metropolitan rail network operator at that time and safety was the number one focus for obvious reasons), I purposely picked out a baby pink lacy cardigan to layer over a sky blue dress with bright floral patterns. Part of our training that day involved conflict resolution in a mocked up site office, where an actor would pretend to be a grumpy foreman of a crew that got told to stop work because of unsafe practices, and we (the site manager of the day) would have to engage him in a peaceful but assertive conversation to calmly convince him to wait until a safety inspection clears his team to resume their work again. I could hardly hide my glee when it was my turn to be the ‘site manager’ because I was so keen to see how things would turn out, and let me tell you that the actor guy was totally unprepared for what he was up against that he was visibly taken aback half way through storming into the room, and his well rehearsed “what’s going on…?!” was followed by an open mouthed stare so comical that I couldn’t help but giggle. Long story short, the pink lacy cardigan helped me sail through the safety training with flying colours, partly because many of the trainers there were unable to unleash the full weight of the usual aggression and intimidation (which I’ve been told is commonplace within the construction industry) onto some soft speaking young lady in a pretty dress who was clearly too sweet to be sworn at. Maybe, just maybe, Umbridge also read that theory about pink…
Brilliant! Well done!
That’s interesting because red and hot pink cause people to feel more aggressive. You’ve got to get the right shade of pink, or that’s going to go horribly wrong.
That... is a brilliant, personal anecdote. And it makes me wanna lean in a little more into my desire to own pink clothing.
I love this reminiscence! I never thought of that before.
Interesting! Now I am off to buy bunch of pink clothes to wear next time a conflict happens
Could you PLEASE do a video on how Harry does NOT have PTSD? I'm an LMHC, and I often get into discussions with people who insist Harry has PTSD or depression. When I dig deeper it seems like the reasoning is always "well, he MUST have it given all he's been through," rather than "Harry meets X number of diagnostic criteria." In fact, I presented at the annual Chestnut Hill Harry Potter conference about how Draco in book 6 actually meets most of the diagnostic criteria for depression, whereas Harry only ever gets kinda close in book 5 (with anger being a more common manifestation in adolescents).Anyways, I would adore you both forever if you could use your platform to explain the importance of not trying to use "they suffered enough to meet my standard of what DESERVES a diagnosis" as a reasoning to diagnose a character. Thank you!
"We're in Utah, there's some worse names here."One of my teachers told me about a woman who named her kids Oranjello and Lemonjello. After her two favorite flavors of jello.So, can confirm. We have terrible names in Utah.
@Victoria Kingeter That might have been how it went. The story was one I heard back in sixth grade, so some of the specific details are hazy.
My mom told me the story of one of her coworkers(who worked in insurance) who got a call from probably that same woman because who else would name their twins those specific names? I was told that the reason the woman named them that is because she got orange and lemon Jello in the hospital after giving birth.
That's an old, old, story.
Wow, Oranjello? That's very similar to what my 8 year old little sister named her new kitten. We call him Jelly, but originally he was Oranjellyumper. So that woman was literally naming her children what an 8 year old would call their pet cat.
22:50 Except that James didn't take Lily. An important part of Snape's memory of James bullying him - the one that Harry saw - was Lily defending him and telling James to leave Severus alone (James tried to mess his hair up and make his voice sound deeper and tries the 'I'll let him down if you say you'll go out with me' line which obviously didn't work) and then Severus in his humiliation yelled out "I DON'T NEED HELP FROM FILTHY LITTLE MUDBLOODS LIKE HER!" The thing is that since being sorted into Slytherin Severus had been hanging out (I don't know if he as actually friends with them or if they just let him hang out with him) with a lot of other Slytherins who later ended up becoming Death Eaters, and they kept on harassing and bullying muggle-born students. Snape was still friends with Lily but she couldn't understand why he would hang out with those other Slytherins. My own guess was because it was out of loneliness, and because of that Severus tried to brush their actions off as "just a bit of fun". James Potter was a bully but he didn't target people based on their parentage. As Lily put it "James Potter is an arrogant toe-rag - and I can see that on my own without you reminding me of it every five minutes - but your friends...their idea of fun....it's evil", not that Severus heard that bit, he was too happy to hear her insult James Potter. But when he called her a 'mudblood' that broke their bond - James tried to force an apology out of him but that just made Lily even angrier that she already was, she even told James "you're just as bad as he is" - she cut ties with Severus after that though it might have been more because he would use that word at all rather than just that he called her that, I'm not sure, only know that she said when he tried to apologise to her "why not? You call everyone else like me mud blood, how am I any different", also saying "You and your death eater friends - see you don't even deny it now? You can't wait to go off and join You-Know-Who. Well you've chosen your side and I've chosen mine" and even added "I've been making excuses for you for years, none of my friends understand why I even talk to you." She started going out with James in their 7th year, over a year since that incident. So while in a way there's probably a feeling that James stole her from him (though they were friends, not actually dating), what probably hurts Severus even more is the knowledge that his words and actions drove her away and that he ruined his own chance with her. So I think seeing Harry reminds him of both those facts.
@Ellie F 100% agree. I think it’s further emphasised when you consider that he had asked Voldemort to spare Lily’s life, disregarding the fact that she had a husband and child. He only made the concession to Dumbledore because it meant protecting Lily. And the fact is, I don’t think he ever really knew her. He was in love with his ‘version’ of her, and wouldn’t have complemented her. His patronus was a doe like hers after all.
That is a very long paragraph. O-O
@Ellie F Which she did kind of get when they argued and he said "he fancies you.....I won't let you...." and she said "let me?"
This is the closest someone else has come to admitting Snape would have been a controlling domestic abuser to Lily. He viewed her and an object James “stole”, not a human being. He wanted to tell her who she could spend time with. He wanted to control her actions.
The story about John’s mom is incredible. What a smart, kind, and wonderful woman. Sending my thoughts to her today wherever she is.
Yes, she sounds like the most pure, kind and loving woman. It takes a very special person to do what she did.
In God's house. May she rest in peace.
I like Dudley's transformation especially. I forgot who made the video on it but someone pointed out how essentially the moment he met those Dementors he began his transformation.It was like background development, when he was met with everything horrible about himself and his life and he basically began to shift his perspective from there.Apparently after both Dudley and Harry made their own families, they visited each other annually or something, to allow their kids to play with each other. And I like that. The fact that Dudley and Harry didn't necessarily become super close afterwards but they had a mutual understanding and respect for each other, staying in each other's lives despite how badly they had started off.Also, I hate that they removed the scene where Harry is confronted by his aunt and they basically have a moment where she admits that she did in fact love her sister and grieve for her despite their distance. It was a moment of admitting that she did care even if she failed Harry miserably. Sometimes people do terrible things, but that doesn't mean they're evil, it just means they've lost their way.
At the end Dudley learn to be better than his parents after everything that has happened and Harry did saved him in Book 5. Dudley change a lot.
also in the books dudley didn't want to leave harry. he didn't understand why they were leaving without him which suggested concern for harry who he tormented for years growing up. he had a lot of character growth that unfortunately got overlooked
I'd personally love to have an episode about JK Rowling's bigotry and how that semi-subtly influenced the series.
That would be cool
@Furienna yeah she is
@Furienna yes, she is. 🥰
She's not a bigot.
"The gently smiling Dolores Umbridge, with her girlish voice, toadlike face, and clutching, stubby fingers, is the greatest make-believe villain to come along since Hannibal Lecter. One needn’t be a child to remember The Really Scary Teacher, the one who terrified us so badly that we dreaded the walk to school in the morning, and we turn the pages partly in fervent hopes that she will get her comeuppance… but also in growing fear of what she will get up to next. For surely a teacher capable of banning Harry Potter from playing Quidditch is capable of anything." Stephen King
When I read this for the first time, I went- "That's so offensive to Hannibal." because I hate Umbridge SO MUCH.
I'm currently trying to not be as rude and bully like when talking to people. I always feel the need to be defensive and mock people because my parents did the same to me as a kidI've never hurt anyone physically but I'm sure mentally and I wish I could apologize for it. I've made small but noticeable progressIt is hard to break habits but it's worth it when I see people being wowed when I show how gentle and nice I am. It is the best sight ever
I love having people analyze my favorite films like this, on a psychological level. You guys are doing great, I’m glad I found this channel!
Yeah OP. I didn't think I liked movies...but I might start. 0.o
Absolutely agree! 👏
I AGREE FULLY
@See Foon of my parents
Something else that's important to note is how Harry also grew up in a household without love and yet he never became a bully (only in the 5th book when he was suffering from Depression). Being able to break the cycle is really powerful stuff
When was Harry a bully in the 5th book?
I LOVE that you mentioned that bullying isn't JUST at school.... And saying that it's"in marriage". It's so true.
Back in middle school, there was a bully who was extraordinarily talented at lying. If I wanted someone to believe me, they would have to trust me at my word over this bully at his, because his denials were convincing and there were few that completely believed me. His bullying came in the form of psychological torment, to the point that I wanted a chance at a confrontation, physical or otherwise, to just end it.
as a therapist in training, this channel has helped me understand some concepts that my class doesn't and has given me examples for projects and clients to examine. Thank you for sharing. I love this channel!
That's so cool! Thanks for watching!
3:30 Behind the scenes confirms that Petunia was always jealous that Lily had powers and she didn't, in the books we find out she actually wrote to Dumbledore asking him why she couldn't go there as well, his reply was very kind but very clear, she couldn't come because she didn't have any powers. She felt overtone by Lily and felt overlooked by her parents ("But as for my mother and father, oh it was just Lily this and Lily that they were PROUD of having a witch in the family!) and because of that she started calling her a freak to her face as well as behind her back. Because she felt like her parents didn't love her she's overly affectionate with Dudley, and she thinks she's being a loving, doting, caring mother, and doesn't realise that all she's done is raise a fat, spoiled, lazy, arrogant, stupid bully (in the book whenever he gets a bad mark from school she insists "that Dudley was a very gifted boy whose teachers just didn't understand, while Uncle Vernon would just say he didn't want some swotty little Nancy-boy for a son anyway" and whenever the school reports on his bullying other children she just says "he's a boisterous little boy but he wouldn't hurt a fly") deliberately closing her eyes to her sons faults and basically damaging him as he's never experienced not getting what he wants or having to wait, ask, or even work for something, he's just gotten it all so he'll basically grow up not realising that the outside world won't treat him like that. Her jealousy is also the reason why she treats harry like that, jealous that he also has powers, that there's a whole community who has powers like "that Potter at that school", that she still hasn't gotten over the fact that her sister had powers while she didn't, but she also bullies him because his existence is a daily reminder to her that her sister is dead and that her sister died before they could make peace and that the reason they couldn't make peace was because she couldn't let go of the past (even though I'm sure she denies that).
@The Outcast Also in the book, Dudley made Harry some tea and put it in front of his door as a show of kindness but Harry didn’t notice it when it opened the door and stepped on it so he thought that Dudley did it to be mean until they had that talk.
hurt fueling hurt
In a deleted scene video, Petunia told Harry that "it's not just you who lost a mother that night, I lost a sister too". I wish they had included that in the movie, it shows that while Petunia was jealous of Lily, she still very much cared and loved her. It makes her seem more human, y'know? Not just some nasty aunt, not just the typical mean elder sibling.
@The Outcast I didn't remember that since I read the book a while ago and u are right, Petunia always cared for them. Honestly I'm really curious how would the story be told from their perspectives.
@Dirgni Flesuoh I think that too n.n, I never give too much of a thought before but that may be the reason for her discomfort with Marge.
in the extended version of the sorcerer's stone Harry calls out Snape by telling him he should've asked Hermione instead of picking on someone who didn't know the answers when she obviously did
Yeah, that was quite cheeky for a first class. That's why he cost Gryffindor 5 points. BTW those 3 things Snape asked him, weren't just random things to mess with Harry. Snape had a reason for everything. He wanted to be the one to tell him what they meant, and probably wanted to see Lily in Harry's eyes
I think Snape accepted that Lily chose someone else what galled him is that it was his tormentor. He never hated Lily for her choice, he hated James and for good fucking reason, the 'He stole the woman I loved' is only a small part of that equation.
James didn't steal Lily from Snape because she didn't belong to Snape. Snape was just an incel who thought he owned and that he was owed sex and a relationship from her. And him asking Voldemort to kill James and Harry so he could have Lily proves he didn't accept she chose someone else.
@Robbyn Ellis Lily was not a object to him and Snape grew out of the whole 'mudblood' thing, and I argue it was because of Lily, because she made him a better person, because while nearly everyone else treated him like shit, she was kind to him. That tends to challenge the toxic preconceptions that your parents instilled into you.
Snape never hated Lilly for her choice because he saw her as an object to be won, not an autonomous human who made her own decision. She was more of a concept for him than an actual person, even when she was his friend, which is why he didn’t care that *she* was a mudblood when he cared about everyone else who was. Since she was an idealized concept of the perfect girl/woman, not an actual person, he could overlook it. It didn’t fit his narrative.
Ok, Harry Potter is the most underrated character in Harry Potter, even the fandom like horrifically undermines him. The boy's been abused since like forever for simply existing. That is serious trauma right there. And like yes, he isn't very observant. But, to me at least, that makes total sense. The Dursleys keep abusing him, insulting his existence and his parents (DEAD PARENTS!!!!!!!). And Harry, being Harry cuts it out/ zones out. I would do that. He just wants it to stop (like you said). And then, there's the cupboard situation. For most of his life, he's lived in a fucking cupboard. *THERE ISN'T MUCH TO OBSERVE*. So, duh.............................And, despite the ABUSE. He chose to be kind and good. He CHOSE to be GOOD. Unlike fucking Snape.
My step mom behaves EXACTLY like Umbridge… the irony is, she loves the Harry Potter Franchise but doesn’t see it. Dealing with her is so hard, so I’m glad I came across this video! I have a clue as to how to deal with her now.
@Vorpal Snicker Snack I believe she’s delusional, tbh. I’m an adult and live 6 hrs away from her. She believes she’s the BEST mom and wife. She treats my brother like she does Harry. I keep trying to convince my dad to take them to therapy and take her as well.
Do you honestly believe she doesn't see the connection or is it willful ignorance she's selling to you and your buying it? Look into going No Contact or Low Contact with her abusers will do everything they can to hold control, if you choose to go NC beware abusive behaviour will amplify, flipping back and forth between lashing out and love bombing but at the end of the day she will never change. Good luck and get therapy and counselling (pay professionals but not school counselling cause that shit sucks), remember even children, youth, young adults are able to get lawyers (such as probono or look for your countries version of JFCY/Justice for Children and Youth) and if your an adult well lawyers can also help don't be afraid of the price. Why waste your life and time on an asshole who doesn't care about affecting your health, the quicker you cut them out of your life the faster you can find and choose people that enjoy your company.
Honestly , everone hated Snape so much until Alan Rickman got cast into that role. And he just played him in such a perfect grumpy way that one enjoyed him as a character, and suddenly everyone was on the Snape fan-train. Alan Rickman was just too loveable.
I have no strong feelings for the actor so I still hated Snape as much as I hated him in the books.
The film certainly softened Snape and made his ridiculous "redemption" a lot more believable
@wyterabitt well I stand corrected. I must've missed it
@silveryfeather208 Yes he was. It is made clear James hated his connection with dark arts and this is why he did what he did even in the books. This was confirmed by JK as true, and his history was made clear. He was obsessed with dark magic, *and* dark people from an early age. It is this that James reacted against, not in the healthiest way of course but he was also young and compared to just bullying people because of what they are wearing or something it's a little more understandable.Snape was always bad.
@wyterabitt Snape wasn't a bad person when James bullied him. And I guess I should clarify. He didn't deserve it with lily. Lily just feels way off. it seems unrealistic to marry a former bully you knew. Young Snape didn't deserve it. turning into a Nazi though, was his doing
I think it's important to distinguish the Dursleys as abusive, not bullying. Abuse victims deal with different things than people were bullied. And I'd like to also note that one or the other isn't better or worse. They're just different.
I love every single time Alan cries. To see the emotion in his eyes every time is as beautiful as to see someone laughing. There is so much beauty in human emotions, we shouldn't hide it.
I just rewatched this and I’m so grateful for it. I think we’ll be inviting an extra kid to my son’s birthday party... he just might be in need of some extra love. And cake always helps.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I was bullied a lot as a child, and yet I invited other kids to my lunch table and offered them sometimes half of my lunch when I saw they didn't bring their own and didn't have the cash for school lunch that day. Some of these kids weren't my genuine friends, but at least I know I have an unconditionally-kind heart. I won't tolerate being belittled or crushed, though. I've stood up for myself, once I learned how to use my voice.
I, like Harry, found that standing up for others was good practice -a good learning ground -for learning how to stand up for myself. By building the self worth found in being a champion of others, I eventually found that I thought well enough of myself to see that I was one of the people worth fighting for too.
One of the things that stood out to me about Harry's decision to save Malfoy: When Narcissa leans over him in the forest and asks him if Malfoy is alive, he says "yes." Had he said no, Narcissa likely would have had an emotional reaction, or perhaps even willfully outed him, giving away that Harry wasn't dead. Harry probably would have died in that moment. His decision to save Malfoy's life ended up saving him in the end. It's a beautiful demonstration of how kindness can breed kindness in others.
@Fleet Skipper OR she really loved him. The fact is that Draco really resembles his father and loves him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Narcissa a stay at home mother?
@Tareltonlives There is no indication in either the books or the movies as to what Narcissa felt about her husband. We are not told that she loved him. Hers may have been a marriage of convenience, or it may have even been encouraged or arranged by the two families in order to keep their offspring’s blood “pure.”
If it was really such a common and easy thing the way the media tells you, then we wouldn't be in this mess, would we?
@BJ Rosen It happens less often than you think, and often leaving is pure pragmatism, not actually changing their views. And that says more about you than it does about them.
@Tareltonlives If that was true you wouldn't have so many ex-neo-Nazis or ex-KKK who had moments of clarity and renounced their world views. People change all the time and your assumption that they can't says more about you than it does about them.
5:25 I loved the subtle joke of bringing up the like button when Snape says fame isn’t everything haha!
Love that you noticed!!!
Voldemort is a general villain, he doesn't care about the individual so much as the group. Umbridge is a personal villain. She goes for the individual, and makes it her personal goal to put you down.
I feel like the relationship between Harry and Draco proves an idea that its true that the strong survive, but only the compassionate thrive
I think that one of the most important things to remember when talking about stuff like this, is: if a bully (or anyone for that matter) has problems at home or has bad things they have to deal with, it's not an excuse; it's an explanation. There is absolutely no obligation for you to feel sorry for or forgive someone who's hurt you, just because their dealing with their own sh*t. They were fully responsible for their own actions, even if they had reasons behind them.There's actually a trope in stories that outlines this as well - something like "The villain became a villain because this happened; the hero became the hero because they went through the same thing, but changed for the better."
Harry Stands up to Draco because he's not standing up for himself. He's standing up to the first person his age who's shown him genuine kindness, Ron.
@HorseGirlb Hagrid showed him kindness before Ron, so Hagrid's the first person.
Not just the first person _his age_ who's shown him kindness, just the first person _period._
It's a great moment: he's lived with his family, and he recognizes that Draco is just like them and defends Ron and Neville and Hermione from him.
And, eventually, when he believed that Harry was in the wrong...The courage to stand up to even Harry himself.
One of my favorite "Harry standing up for his friends" moments is in Philosopher's Stone. Neville is almost crying because Draco Malfoy has been bullying him, and he feels he's not brave enough to be in Gryffindor. Hermione urges Neville to report Malfoy, and Ron tells him he should stop letting people walk all over him. But Harry just gives Neville some chocolate and lets him know that he definitely deserves to be in Gryffindor. It's a great message to send to kids. That maybe victims of bullying might just need a few words of kindness and reassurance that they are not worthless in order to give them confidence. Ron and Hermione advise though well-intentioned didn't really help Neville in any way. But Harry's few words of kindness and encouragement gave Neville so much confidence, he actually stood up to Malfoy quoting Harry's words to him and took on Crabbe and Goyle single-handed.
I have never been bullied my whole life, and I'm starting to feel like I missed out on something.
I think this is why so many people love Harry Potter. So many beautiful messages about love and compassion
Can you guys do Easy A? It's a modern retake of the Scarlet Letter and I think that message should be analyzed for others to have a different take on it.
I think the moment with the werewolf, when he instinctively turns and shields them with his body, is another time we see some good in Snape.
y'all mentioned Harry's experience with Umbridge, I would just like to say that in the books, Harry keeps his head down and bears through it, because Umbridge has all of the power. At this point, Harry has experience with people who want to manipulate him for their own purposes. He knows if he speaks out it will only serve her purpose of discrediting him. It actually says several times in the book that he is determined to not give her the satisfaction. Not sure if they were going this way in the film, since they never said it, but yeah🤷♀️
I really like that when Jono talks about a behavior, he makes the distinction every time between "If I'm feeling this way, I'll react this way" and "If you feel this way, you'll react this way". He always phrases it with "I". It doesn't put words into anyone's mouths, it doesn't place blame in any way. It's a very clever way to create a more open dialog with mutual understanding and respect. It takes all the shame out of a behavior in the listeners mind, because YOU aren't doing it, JONO is doing it. Well done sir 👏 And also HUGE props to Alan for inspiring my interest in filmmaking. You and MovieFlame have completely changed the way I #watchmovies. I love learning, and boy have you taught me a lot. You've given me a new appreciation for animators, actors, filmmakers, scores, and so much more. I didn't know diddly squat about any of it (or how much I enjoy the subject) until you told me via a tiny screen in my hand. God bless you both. You aren't letting any damn bushels get in the way of your light 😎
I remember hearing once that the reason people hate Umbridge more than Voldemort is because Voldemort is a fantasy Villain, but EVERYONE knows an Umbridge personally. A teacher, a boss, a family member, we all have an Umbridge in our lives.
The thing about standing up to Malfoy really struck a cord with me because Harry isn't standing up for HIMSELF. He's standing up for the first friend he's ever made. As someone who was abused literally every day of their childhood, I can tell you that that it took me far longer to see my own value (tbh, I'm still working on it), but I've always found it far easier to find the strength of will to throw down to the death for that one person who bothered to take the time to be my friend.
Ah, Delores Umbridge, the magical Karen.
I experienced a TRUE Umbridge, I inturned at a hotel and this woman at the reception, EVERYONE else told me to tell them immediately if she was mean to me or anything. Red flag one lol she was legitimately Umbridge, soft spoken, chubby lady obsessed with kittens and cute stuff but she was just TERRIBLE, terrible coworker. There would be no check ins for hours but she would NOT let me sit down (staying on my feet still for hours, it hurt my back and legs) and call me lazy when there was truly nothing to do or stuff like that. Oof, thank God I didn't put up with her for long 😅
@Xehanort10 Is Umbridge more heartless then you, Master?
@C. R. Barboni Yes! An actress/actor that plays the role so well that you hate them did a good job.
Sadly there are no managers at Hogwarts
I had a bully from elementary through middle school. I stood up to him only twice, and the bullying never continued. My mom saw him nearly a decade after we graduated, and he apologized to my mom for how he treated me. He never explained why (and my mom has never explained about his home life), but I think about that a lot. I think about how he could look back on those interactions and change from who he was into who he became.
My in-laws are bullies... And unfortunately they're the narcissist type. And I'm trying to get out of their house now
My view on Snape is that he was a terrible person, but i can understand why he acted the way he did. He consistently treated Lily as a trophy, not her own person. His reasoning behind being good revolved around one person. He was a bad person who had over a decade to fix and rework his values and morals but he chose not to. Love Alan Rickman though
Well, my point of view is that he was a good person who was warped by his family and "friends" to the near point of no return. And then he chose to be like that.And with no real support not even at Hogwarts, just people who also looked down on him because of his blood or thought too differently without wanting to understand or wanting to use him.Even Dumbledore didn't try to figure it out, from what I read he just used him or ignored his problems, but with that "light" Snape slowly changed into a more effective person who wanted to improve.Personally, I think a lot of people in those books need therapy help, it's a pity.You're right, he's like a bad person in the present that matters. Although with what right can I judge him for being a bad person who at least tried to improve and he did, a lot. You can't say he didn't. Not enough to be considered a decent or good person, I suppose...
@SAELSTOWN I've seen the same video, it's excellent. The creator/KZclip channel is called Shaun if anyone wants to see it.
@Dyuti Basu Lupin actually never wished to participate into assaulting Snape, or at least not directly. It always came only from James and Sirius at first, really...There was also Pettigrew/Wormtail that just liked to add his grain of salt over the defenseless victim (again, Snape on his own against 4 guys, basically) when the toughest guys already took it down before him for obvious reasons for anyone that understands Wormtail's personality (pretty much a little sadistic and an absolute coward guy, if you'd ask me, which made him the perfect betrayer eventually).
@Dyuti Basu I saw a very good video a while ago (can't recall the creator, but the video is simply entitled Harry Potter and it's an hour long) analysing Rowling's writing in HP and a very good point is brought up regarding this pattern. Essentially, in Harry Potter there is no such thing as good or bad actions, only good and bad teams. When the good team bullies others, insults them, so on it's fine or even justified. When the bad team does the same thing, they're bullies and we're meant to hate and mock them. An example would be from how we see Vernon and Dudley body/fatshamed from Harry's pov but it's meant to be seen as somehow cathartic and satisfying because they're the bad team and Harry's the good team. But when Malfoy fatshames Mrs. Weasley, it's seen as a horribly insulting and mean thing to do and a fight breaks out between Harry, Malfoy and the Weasley twins. Because Mrs. Weasley is the good team, and Malfoy is the bad team.It was really eye opening to hear that analysis and so much of the way these books are written suddenly made a lot of sense.
I find JK is very strange in how she treats bullies in her books... If they're in Slytherin, they're evil but if they're in Gryffindor, they're fine... Like Fred and George carrying out human testing of products on first years or Lupin and Sirius kind of just sliding over the fact that they more or less sexually assaulted Snape. And then Sirius also almost killed him... Ron constantly lashes out at Hermione and yet they end up together... Snape is suddenly redeemed in Harry's (and in turn the reader's) eyes when he finds out his motivation (Dumbledore says by this time that he'd make a good Gryffindor) even though he spent his whole time as a teacher bullying students (specially Neville). I mean... It's a bit dicey. If you're ambitious, cunning and reserved, you're evil and if you're brave and brash, with your heart on your sleeve you're good?
Ye two guys are just great! I love your deep and hilarious therapy conversation. About Draco, I think he actually wanted to befriend Harry, just got it awfully wrong. The only thing he ever learned was being arrogant, sorting people into those-who-help-me-get-to-the-top and worthless crap. So it's the best he knows to show Harry he knows to distinguish famous Harry from poor Weasley-losers or mudbloods. Only this does not work for Harry, and so alas Draco Malfoy failed to form a friendship that he could indeed have benefited from.
I believe the pink has a further meaning, it's meant to be so extravagant, so over the top, that it's unbearable, like emptying an entire bottle of perfume at once, it's overwhelming and suffocating, toxic, even, just like anything else that's taken too far.
@Fleet Skipper Yes, but moral complexity doesn't stop someone from being good or bad. Reading these responses, I'm wondering if you do this kind of apology for all fictional villains except for the two dimensional ones. I'm not saying that bad people can't do good things; you are. You are saying bad people doing good things makes them stop being bad. Someone not being evil incarnate doesn't stop them from being a bad person. Someone having serious character flaws doesn't make them a bad person. You think everything is grey, but grey is a spectrum from white to black, and everyone fits in a different shade of the spectrum. And yes, the characters are usually complex. Molly is a bad mother, but she's a good person capable of genuine love. James was a bully, but ultimately made the right decisions. Harry's emotions make him capable of great love, but also capable of cruelty and bias. And yes, the villains are complex. Snape, Peter, the Malfoys, Barty Jr all have sufferings and frailties and motivations (NOT justifications) and genuine humanity, genuine ability to love- Umbridge is the exception in that humanity and motivation is denied to her. My issue is that people equate "not 100% evil" with being good at heart or misunderstood. Snape was brave, but he was also cruel, sadistic, bitter, and petty. Ron is a flawed hero. Draco is a human villain. That doesn't stop Ron from being a hero and Draco from being a villain- it just means they have complex layers to them.
@Tareltonlives Reading your comments, I’m wondering if you always see things in such an extreme way. All good, or bad. Most of the characters in the HP series are shades of gray. I think that’s what everyone else is trying to say to you.
@Tareltonlives Ya know, there was a comment further up about how Rowling modeled Umbridge over a real-life educator that Rowling had to study under. If there was a lot of trauma in her life around such a person, she may hesitate to bring a fullness of life to a person like that. Um, and I guess that I also want to say that an implicit bias can make it challenging to see things from more than one angle. I do think that Rowling has her issues, but the willingness to attribute all things to an orderly and tidy explanation runs an easy risk of failing to account for the messiness of our lives.She may very well have internalized a lot of awfulness that passes by her inner gaze. And she may have experienced her own awfulness in life. And I think it would be unfair of me to leave you thinking that you're under attack, you could easily have the right explanation for all of this. I just don't want you to go out into your life only seeing things one way, it's an easy way to have both good and evil pass you by unseen. Either way, I think it's good to talk like this. It's the kind of things that don't often get talked about.
Yeah; & to think that _THIS_ is the *single most subtle villain* in the entire series. Bright Pink.
@Tareltonlives It's misogynistic that you think women can't be villains.
Malfoy is what Harry could have been. Hes privileged, wealth, both parents have magic Malfoy was told to make friends with Harry. Its the same reason Dumbledore hired Lockhart its to show Harry how to be a good person. Dumbledore knows power corrupts like Voldemort and the hallows but he wants Harry to make his own chooses.
I think it's a small detail that is overlooked, but in Book 6, Harry comes across the spell "Sectumsempra" in Snape's old Potions textbook. The only description it has is "for enemies." Harry uses it on Malfoy, not really knowing what might happen, but he labels Malfoy as an enemy. And Malfoy's chest is sliced and he falls and blood is just pooling around him. Harry is shocked. He had an opportunity to really lash out and he accidentally dips a toe into what might be considered dark magic. And he defends the textbook later, saying that it never told him to definitely use this spell on someone you wanted to kill, but he acknowledges that it definitely went too far. Harry's opportunity to lash out nearly kills Malfoy. It's a step beyond Voldemort encouraging Harry to kill Bellatrix, where Harry actually does something, and it also shows Malfoy that Harry can lash back.
I have two moments where I stood up to people trying to bully me. I used humor both times, so for me, if I make the situation funny I don't get bullied. I don't give the bullies the opportunity to bully me because I make jokes.
The beginning parts of Harry’s experience with the Dursleys is VERY Roald Dahl. 🥰
Why aren’t more people commenting on the fact that Jonathan’s saint of a mom is so much more evolved than the rest of the human race
@VidralliaArchives You can do it! We need more like her. Like you :)
@BJ Rosen I'm just going so say while I understand what you're trying to say. I still outright disagree. No kid should have to deal with that, including the one getting bullied. I'm sorry one of them got born to bad parents but that doesn't mean the other has to suffer for being in their proxy. Kick the kid out, less people suffer that way.
@DemonKing19951 twenty years after the fact, I got a Facebook message from one of my old bullies. That girl had been horrible to me and been a nightmare for me to deal with, but she contacted me with an apology. She said it wasn't as excuse, but she was going through terrible things during her childhood. Abuse, alcoholic parents, parental divorce, etc. It was awful. She apologized to me for taking her own pain out on me and I forgave her. Every one of those bullies is in pain of their own. Expelling them, attacking them, adds to, rather than subtracts from, their pain. It's far far better to be the one who takes them out to ice cream and gives them someone they can talk to and express their feelings to than to try to punish them for being children who've been poorly raised, neglected, or abused.
She's the type of mom I aspire to be some day.
@DemonKing19951 Hi, Ouch that must have been so hard. Well... Duh, bullying is hard. Good for you taking that action. I don't know you, but I'm proud you did. We do what we need to survive, and then we spend the rest of our lives a little on edge about anybody else being bullied too. Mine were a bit more insidious than, yours I think, so it wasn't as clear cut. The adults around me knew and did their best. Unfortunately their best didn't help much. I was also in charge of the day to day running of my family. My mother fell ill, I was 14 and the oldest. It's a bit much to make noise when you have to make sure that your sisters and father have something to eat for dinner and clean clothes for the next day. When my mom came home from the hospital she was still very sick, so there were still not a lot of notice or sympathy going around, just me making sure she had everything she needed and was fed too, and I got a lot of platitudes from her and my dad. I did my best and then we moved. I grew up, and will stand with a bullying victim every day in the week and twice on Sundays, that's for sure. My relationship with my family has been a bit distant and still is, and all of this happened in the 1970's. Live a good life. Yours, Ann
Alan, I wanted to say that your being open and honest with your emotions has healed me. Without going into many details, I grew up believing males weren't capable of love or much of any positive emotions. I have done therapy, but since men aren't encouraged to show true emotion, that has been the hardest for me to completely banish. The second part to this is how both of you share how much your wives mean to you and how they have impacted you has also been a big part of my dispelling the programing I'd had. Thank you for being transparent.
As a huuuge HP fan, I'd love to see how the "bad" characters manage to have their entourages. By this I mean, for example bellatrix Lestrange and narcissa Malfoy are sisters and they're both deadeaters, but one is really into Voldemort while the second is afraid of him. Thanks for your videos
My mom would always say "Imagine how ugly it must be in their life or in their head for them to treat others (you) that way." If they want to tear others down it is because they feel weak or insecure. I used to ignore them so well I didn't even notice them trying to get under my skin unless they got directly physical or picked on someone else (after elementary school.) I was picked on starting in first grade and became very vocally protective of anyone who was being bullied in junior high. There was a girl who tried to start fights or make me mad for most of a year and a boy was surprised she wasn't bothering me, but I really didn't care what she said or thought, I didn't respect her opinion enough to care. I had had an older boy who followed and threw rocks at me on the way home in elementary so I wasn't as bothered later by less scary incidents. At the end of the year she let her guard down, she was a very insecure and unhappy person, had been mistreated and not taught healthy relationships or emotional management. We talked and later became friends for a while. I ended up feeling very protective of her too. She grew and found her braver, kinder side as a young adult. I hope she is doing well.
Such a great episode. I cried with you.Another part of HP I always cried along was Harry's experience with dementors. Not only that he reacts differently from everyone else, but what he hears and feels, that it completely knocks out his consciousness and how that is dealt with trough the times and talks with Remus Lupin.I loved, that JKR once said these events are metaphorically dealing with depression. Nonetheless it lead to 2 questions for me: 1st I would like to know, in which ways this portays depression correctly (if s.o. could say that about a metaphor) and 2nd if it isn't a little too simple, referring to it as depression, as the others seem to get out of it soon and Harry loses consciousness. To me as an interested but non-professional person that looks like a severe PTSD, which makes sense regarding Harry's upbringing but would need more therapy than a chocolate bar... Maybe you could talk about that in a later episode? I would love that!
@Av Praeda head cannon or lore your comment was super interesting! & cemented a lot more understanding. This comment section is amazing and deep, I feel a greater love for JKR & her work and this insightful community. Mischief managed /
@Av Praeda thank you! I absolutely agree that the 3rd book is by far the best (because of the reasons you added and in terms of my personal experience. I don't consider myself an expert in general or sth).To your points: I love the way you went along Harry's experience with the patronus spell to show that there is more to it. And I guess it makes sense, that not even Remus can put in words what is more of a kind of spiritual move behind it. And what a 'coincidence' that it is Luna who acknowledges it as proof for Harry's strength, not primarily as an accomplished auror but as a kid with a strong purpose for leading the DA.I know neither if this is still in the book or just in our potterhaed-hearts, but I strongly feel it and I am happy that you pointed it out so well :)
I read a wonderful essay on this topic years ago, and I'm sure I won't be able to quote even 60% of it well enough, but it did very much prove how this worked as representation of depression to a degree. What the dementors do by nature is bring out all the worst memories and feelings in you, and trap you in them. A person that has not had a very awful life (or did not perceive it that way regardless of circusmtances) will most likely not react so strongly to such influence compared to a person that had their life hell, that is constantly fighting the world even without the dementors there. Also definitely seeing your point with the severe C-PTSD there. I will say though that it is actually the concept behind the Patronus spell, the only working defense against dementors (that still only chased them away, but never quite killed them), that's another strong argument for this theory. While it is said that in order to cast a Patronus, one must think of their happiest memory, the lore makes an important distinction right off the bat the first time Harry learns it with Lupin. The thing that will keep a dementor in check and drive it away is not based on excitement or exhilaration, the bubbly kind of happiness - it's more like a "happiness" that comes from purpose, from knowing the reason you choose, despite this overwhelming crushing weight of life, to keep moving forward. The first memory that works for Harry is described by him as not even exactly a happy one, but one that is strong. I would also argue that's why the shape of a patronus can change, often to something resembling a loved one, as they become someone you care about so immensely that you might think of them as your reason for staying alive. It is also noted, although I'm no longer sure if this is official lore or headcanon, that this is also precisely why the Patronus spell was considered some of the most difficult ones to learn - not because it was such on a technical level, but because it takes a tremendous force of spirit and focus to push through your darkest moment.I know I'm replying to a pretty old comment but tbh, this is probably one of the reasons why the third movie remains my most beloved one to this day. Hope you have a good day!
Umbridge isn’t the type of bully to be pitied or understood she’s a horrible abusive monster who hurts people cause she like hurting them just thought I should put that here
@DoddyIshamel my mother-in-law acts just like her. She’s very two dimensional.
@Jan12 Sure- Severus Snape. But yeah, that also works for Umbridge but she's not as covert about it
Can someone say,covert narcissist?
It helps that the author didn't give her any motivation or depth. After all, all the other bullies do the same things she does, but are also given humanizing traits
Well she always wants to be the superior. Like she is so insecure that her father was a janitor in the ministry she refused to acknowledge her father in fear that her co workers will look down on her. She lied that she's a pure blood because she doesn't want other prejudiced purebloods to look down on her. The hunger for staying at the top of everything and for power blinded her. Besides she has no empathy and she only cares for herself. She is evil by nature but her life is to be pitied upon cause she wants power so bad she can't even live truthfully.
"I constantly find myself making myself small." I can so relate to that. Growing up I was pretty much always the biggest kid in my class. Unless my best friend Dave and I were in the same class, then it was a question of which one of us happened to be the tallest that day. So I was always being told I had to be careful with the other kids, or that I was intimidating them when I didn't mean to. So I always tried to make myself smaller and less intimidating, except when I felt I really, really shouldn't. Like in fourth grade when halfway through the school year I changed schools. My first day at the new school I was slouched down at my desk trying not to be noticed when the school "tough guy" came up to me. I forget what all he said, but "shorty" was definitely uttered. So I stood up, and I'm sure to his perspective kept going up, and up until his head was level with my chest. As I leaned over him and asked "Who are you calling short?" you could hear gasps from all the other kids in the room. We might not have known the phrase "paradigm shift" in the fourth grade, but the kids at that school recognized one had occurred.
Wow I really relate to Harry only standing up to his bullies when they’re attacking someone else. I was abused by a parent as a kid and never had the courage to stick up for myself to any bully. However I got in my first and only physical fight ever in my life when a bully was picking on my best friend at school. Witnessing it happen was almost more painful than it experiencing it directly.
I had a teacher who bullied me in 6th grade. I didn't know back then it was bullying, but I recognize it now. She was so unfair to me that classmates I reconnect with on FB over 30 years later bring it up - "Man, remember Mrs. C? She really hated you. What was that about?". It was so bad I get comments like that from people who weren't even in the same class or grade as me. There is something so evil about bullying a child who can do nothing to stand up to you. The first time I read the book with Umbridge, I would have to put the book down and walk away I was having such a visceral reaction. I finally stood up to her a couple weeks before school ended. She told me she did everything because she cared about me. I snapped. I yelled at her she didn't give a damn about me. It was the first time I cussed or yelled at an adult. I expected she would call my parents and I would end up in so much trouble - she called my parents almost every night and sent pink slips home with me almost as often. And I got in so much trouble at home every time. But she didn't. She didn't call my parents again or send another pink slip home. I did have to spend the last two weeks of school in the hall, watching the lessons through a crack in the door, but she finally stopped. It was a painful lesson that standing up to bullies is the only thing that will make them leave you alone.
As someone raised by parents with a, well, tendencies resembling Dolores, I never knew that what I always called "sulking" was actually an avoidant reaction to confrontation. It's cool to know it's not just a weird thing I do or just something hard to explain but an actual thing that's known to happen and stuff. :0
I always said that the only reason Umbridge never had a Dark Mark on her despite her OBVIOUS loyalty to Voldemort was because he refused to allow her to get it in pink.
Unless even Voldemort was disturbed by her
@Verbose Mode 100% agreed. I think whenever you have a fascist regime, you have tons of people who don't care about the philosophy of the leadership, they just revel in the hate and cruelty that kind of leadership promotes.
I have doubts that she and Voldemort came into contact. He or his death Eaters would’ve ended her without thinking just for wearing pink in their presence
Since you opened the door mentioning Sarah Michelle and Buffy, a wonderful quote from the season 2 episode "I Only have Eyes for You"Giles: To forgive is an act of compassion Buffy. It's not done because people deserve it. It's done because they need it.
The whole part about Harry never talking back to his bullies but always stands up to his friends is so beautiful 🥲 chefs kiss to the greatest story ever written 🤌🏽
It was before the pensive: Harry put his hand on Snape’s wound and looked at him with compassion before he even saw Snape’s memories.
harry inspires me because despite all the shit he's received from multiple sources throughout his life he somehow musters so much compassion for others and even has the courage to stand up for people
Harry: Yes...Snape: Yes sir.Harry: There's no need to call me sir professor.-The Half-blood prince
@Kris like the knife I didn't realize those were deleted scenes because every time I've seen Harry Potter, these scenes were in the movie I watched.
@M.R.S. Oh my *gosh*, right?I still agree with the Cinema Dads that Harry defaults to avoidance, but it feels like a crime that the movies didn't get as many of his sassy quips in. He'll avoid if he's in an unsafe space, absolutely. But, if he's been backed into a corner, pushed too far, or someone precious to him is at risk, he can and *will* snap back.Sometimes with quips *so* dripping with sass that it could be bottled and sold to at Weasley's Wizard Wheezes.Another example from the first movie's deleted scenes is just before he receives his first letter from Hogwarts. Petunia's dyeing Harry's 'new uniform' and Harry says "But that's Dudley's old uniform! It'll fit *me* like bits of old elephant skin!" This child has sass in his *veins*.
The whole time they were saying how Harry backs down the first time he meets Snape I was bursting because all I could think of was the deleted scene."Clearly fame isn't everything."" *Clearly* Hermione knows the answer. Seems a pity not to ask her."
@Roz W. Brazel I definitely need that spin off 🤣
Best line ever !
Alan is such a gentle giant! Him showing authentic emotion gets me every single time 😭
Regarding Umbrage: She is so scary because she is someone in authority that everyone respects, and believes that she is good, where as under the facade she abuses the authority to her own believes, she totally hates those that are not perfect, which can happen in real life. In regards to Snape, I agree Harry lost a little respect for his dad when he saw him picking on Snape, and empathizing with Snape because he has been shunned, neglected and emotionally abused since he was born.
I've been bullied when I was 11 and one of those bullies turned out to be one of my best friends like three years later. Now we don't talk as much, but whenever we meet it's like we're siblings. So I totally agree that the best way to stand up for bullies is showing them kindness, even if the result isn't always what you wish they'd be.
What does it mean when the bully does have a good home life and good people around them and they still bully? What then?
Feel like Harry could have squeezed “Hagrid” into that long ass name for his kid. Just saying
@Noob Gamer no Luna was definitely for Luna Lovegood the reason Harry didn't name a child after Lupin is because he already considered Teddy (his godson) to be as good as his own son and obviously Teddy may want to name his son Remus after his father so they left that name for Teddy to use as it was his own father. Simple.
Albus Severus Rubeus Potter. Yeah, it has a ring to it.
@Michelle I totally agree with you He is one of my favourite characters tooAnd he didn't misjudge his animals (maybe he did a little😅) because almost every creature can be friendly if given love (and food) so he rightly judged them. ☺
Hagrid is my ABSOLUTE favotite character. he is always kind and I think the first parental figure for Harry (like a cool uncle). he was the first adult to stand for him and protect him, and reveal to him his own worth. He was just a dude who loved animals and was unwavering in who he was as a person. I love Hargrid and he was honestly one of the few adults that were allies to Harry without wanting anything in return. he was an outcast just like Harry but he was not, at any moment, cruel. Although he misjudged his creatures but I think it was bc he believed they weren't capable of cruelty bc he himself wasn't capable of cruely. srry for the long comment I just absolutely adore Hagrid
Anyone but Snape
It's incredible. I've seen and watched and heared Harry Potter many times but I've never understood Harry's development better than when you've explained his change after the fight in the ministry and his finding self-worth. You guys are awesome.Myself, I tend to always pick the "bad guys" as my favorite characters (like Draco, I love him) precisely because they've got such an interesting story and such struggles. I hate Umbridge because there is just no explanation for her acting bad except she just loves being mean and enjoys the power. But I've always struggled to fully understand Tom Riddle and why he becomes such a prat. I would love for you to do a villain therapy episode on him. For that, you'd probably have to reference to the books, though, because Rowling lets us in on a lot of insights into his life in the Half Blood Prince. I would in any case love to hear if you think that Tom going bad could have been prevented somehow.
I’ve been inspired to go back to college and become an MFT in large part because of this channel. Thank you, Mr Seawright and Mr Decker, for doing what you do! :)
I would love to see a video (or series of videos) on the parental figures in the Harry Potter films, and how they affect Harry's growth and development. I look at the films (and the source materials) through the prism of their structure as bildungsroman or epic/heroic journeys, and see all the characters in relation to how they serve that structure. Looking at the characters from a therapist's perspective is so interesting (and funny).
I'd never seen that deleted scene, and I'mma be honest, that clip gave me chills. That would've been amazing to keep in the film, I'm greatly disappointed it wasn't.
"Kindness is a wildcard. And it doesn't always work. It doesn't always change hearts. What it does show is you won't be changed."
@Elena Ekkert the real question was how to handle that :) if it’s a toxic environment can leave. Just saying
@thegreattotemaster bullying others is the right thing to do? Or are we misunderstanding each other? BC I meant why do other grown people still feel like bullying others.
@Jennifer M K"Truth may not always win friends, but it certainly influences people." - Batty Coda, "Ferngully: The Last Rainforest"
Ya blew my mind a little there with that. Brb, now adopting that as my new life philosophy
love what you're doing so much! ya'll are so wholesome and promoting emotional intelligence
Death should be a theme explored in a future Harry Potter video. Harry has had lots of loses and deals with just like we all do with deceased loved ones. It would be a great theme to explore. Also, depression would be a good one too. The Dementors are basically an allegory for depression and how Lupin teaches Harry how to battle it is similar to how a therapist helps his client overcome their depression in the real world.
Such a warm session
For me the courage to protect someone from bullies, even though I was avoiding conflicts and almost never answer, was from "hey, I know how it feels, I desperately wanted someone to help me so many times. So, even if don't know how to help myself, I can help/protect/step forward for you. Because it was the thing I wanted for myself."Sometimes in conflicts with my mom I started to think "maybe it's really what I deserve, the punishment".It may be very difficult to understand that the way, that people treat you is not right in case you used to it. Because one time long ago you prohibited yourself to even think about how unfair and betrayed you feel. I'm really happy that now I'm grown up and can decide my life by myself.
I love this! For Snape though you should look up the theory for what his told Harry when he asked him that question. It's supposed to basically mean "my regrets follow you to the grave"
Thank you so much, this has really shown me how I have been successful in my relationships with bullies. I am so grateful for how you use this movie series, and it is one of the best examples of how the principles of Christ, and how He commands us to be with other people; don't objectify them but treat them with love, kindness or pity. Scripture also says that we must mention that we must tolerate as much as we can (Rom 12:18). I don't have to judge people, it is not my job (Matt:19 & Matt5:38-39). JC also shows how he stands up to bullies (Matt21:12-13), so we can do the same.Later you also mention the effect it has on the person who is compassionate with bullies, I see that in 1 Cor 13:4-8. I know there is so much more I can say, but I just want to mention this for now.
The Mages Duel in Order of the Phoenix is just so bloody beautiful. 2 mages. They barely even move. Instead they're constantly trying to outwit one another in a battle of spellcraft and arcane acumin. I love this so much.
Harry Potter is such a pivotal story in my life. Thank you for teaching me, and your fans, about different types of how people deal with conflict. I now know why I love Harry Potter so much, and I really love your channel. This is my reward channel after I do all of my work, and I think it’s a great reward. You guys are amazing, and are great role models (not to put you two on a pedestal, what you two show in your KZclip channel is great). I appreciate how you care about your community, and I’m proud to say that I watch your channel, and I think I’m speaking for everyone when I say that. I was so happy when I realized you had two videos on my favorite series, have a great day!