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It's about time TFL. I was just thinking I miss the old days of Andre/Mr Truck and the Ike. These are the videos that got TFL where it is today
Well, are you gonna pull those pistols or just whistle Dixie?
@R Hod Thanks
Videos like this is why I subscribed to TFL. Good to see again!!!
It’s true, these are the bedrock.
@B TL Thanks
I’ve driven some EVs, and the regen braking is strong enough to almost exclusively use one pedal. I’m curious how the strength of regen didn’t help more. Maybe because the hybrid regen isn’t as strong as a full EV? Also, if your electric system is full to capacity, will you still be able to use regen? For example, your descending a long pass like that and your regen tops of your system, will the regen braking assist stop? If not, where would all the electricity being generated go?
I feel like that's difficult because each oem, especially for hybrids, is going to have different regen programming
@3lbtrigger this is helpful, so on a steep multi-mile decent with a load, you can theoretically fill the battery and the regen deactivates. Interesting!
They system by design will not charge above 80% on it's own to allow a buffer for excessive regen. The battery indicator might show it's full, but on the data list it'll only be at 80%. I have never seen ANY Toyota hybrid HV battery above 80% SOC. So in a sense, yes. When the battery shows full, you still in reality have 20% buffer for regen and then the Hybrid system will bleed that off on the next acceleration. Otherwise, it'll not allow regen if the battery gets to a true 100%.
I think it's just Toyota's design, I've driven 2 generations of Lexus ES hybrids and the regen feels nothing more than normal engine braking. the new Toyoat EV BZ4X has a one pedal driving button, so maybe it's a motor capability thing, or simply software. Also speaking form one of my Lexus experience, under normal driving, the battery wouldn't charge pass 80% by design, but I was going down a mountain once and it was the first and only time I saw the battery get full, and the motor braking feeling felt the same afterwards. Pretty sure the generated electricity after full just gets wasted, like keeping your phone plugged in after 100%, it just heats up the phone.
I’ve had a few Toyota hybrids and a couple of evs and overwhelming the hybrid braking system is very easy. More than very gentle braking it starts hitting the friction brakes.
Great to see Mr. Truck. I love the Ike. It's interesting to see these trucks pushed to their limits. Thanks guys for a great video
I like watching TFL tow at max truck ratings, as these really show what the trucks are made of. Awesome truck, but $77K is so steep for a 1/2 ton pickup.
The majority of the cooling system in this truck is different from the LS500. Different radiator, different charge air cooling which is a single unit compared to a dual unit on the car. Also the dual radiators for the charge air cooler and turbo cooling circuit is different. Tundra has one throttle body versus two. The turbos on the truck are also smaller so they spool up faster and provide better low end boost. Probably other things that are different that we are aware of like possibly cam shafts etc..
@Paul Hunter 😂 ..."but hunter"...
@All Things Motion good point
Seriously tho.. to close to trex prices!probably guna get a hybrid 4x4 and build myself
Yeah they want 20k more then what they should be asking for .
I would love to see a chart with every truck's results in the Ike. Historical and current. Especially mpg. Thank you for the great content. The Ike is what draws me to your site.
$77,000. WAAAAY beyond rational for me. I'll stick with my trusty 5.7 V8. This new one really doesn't do anything that much better...really now.
Great Job! I agree you guys should have a chart at the end with different trucks models, truck year, payload and mpg. So far, I like what I see with Tundra.
Look up tundra recalls. It’s kinda scary. Let’s hope 2023 is better than 2022.
Don't mean to be a picker of nits, but if you're F150 hybrid shutters once or twice a year but you've only been driving the Tundra hybrid for a week or two, you can't really say the Tundra hybrid is smoother and will never shudder or stumble.
The non hybrid did 4.3 guess the extra weight of the battery counts against it when the battery isn't being used
@Erin Thor I didn't mean plug in electric (don't remember if I said that), but what I really meant was plug in hybrid. That's what the Rav4 Prime is. You have all electric when you can use it, but the gasoline internal combustion engine is there when you're out of angry pixies. The plug-in feature makes it so you never have to use gasoline until it's a towing and/or long distance trip, but then the engine is ready for it when you do need it.Non-plug-in hybrid still gets all the energy from gasoline. Even regenerative braking comes from movement that was started with gasoline. Plug-in hybrids can get their plug-in energy from a cleaner more affordable grid while still having regen braking and gasoline backup.
@happy camper - Agree, but IMO I don’t want a total plug in electric as the range isn’t there yet and I hate being stranded.
@Erin Thor I have to agree that in that case, it would be a noticeable difference, if you're talking about starting a truck from stop while towing uphill. But a minor change in acceleration doesn't really do much to the trip as a whole, especially when the non-hybrid can still accelerate with a full capacity load quite competently. I think Toyota might eventually get to where I'm wishing they'd go, but this intermediate step needs to be available in the middle so that there are reasons for buyers to go from non-hybrid to hybrid to plug-in hybrid (three truck sales) instead of non-hybrid straight to plug-in hybrid (two truck sales). If they were smarter they would have done the turbo a couple years ago without hybrid available so that they could get a four truck sale setup. Apple does this with feathers - they release just a bit at a time so that fanboys always toss out the old to get a new just because of a few key changes.
@happy camper - I believe that the electric motors work mostly in acceleration to assist the engine, which is why the hybrid has a higher HP and torque rating over the non-hybrid versions. This means that it will help going up a grade (for a short time) of getting a load moving. I think. 🤣
@Blake L That's a big drop in percentage relative to the other truck. This hybrid really doesn't do much to improve the truck. Maybe future models will, but this NiMH thing reduces the tow rating, doesn't really help in towing performance, doesn't help with MPG in regular driving in real-life tests, and makes a full size pickup bed impossible. I hope a newer version has a better lithium battery that can plug in and run commutes/errands in EV mode and then tow and go long distance in hybrid mode, like a Rav4 Prime. We need a Tundra Prime.
Would be interesting if you re-did the Ike with the same weight that you towed behind the non-hybrid to see if apples to apples, the hybrid powertrain actually gets better MPG or not💪
Per Toyota Engineering: The Hybrid driveline is not designed for better mileage. It is designed for more power.
Why would it get better MPG? The hybrid wasnt active except for the first 5 seconds when they accelerated from 35 to 60mph. Even then it abruptly shut off at 50 mph and the engine had to get it from 50 to 60mph by itself. If anything, the extra 500 lbs of battery and electrical components makes it worse.
8:50 the Tundra had turbo and battery boost. Then hybrid boost dropped to zero. Did the Tundra ever access hybrid boost again going up the Ike gauntlet?
The squatting part was good usually those pos you put a little weight on it and it’s struggling
I think this truck is a good starting base for the new Tundra platform. I'm hoping they do some tweaking to it over time to get it better fuel mileage and maybe higher power export figures. But overall this truck seems to be a big upgrade over a previous gen Tundra and provided Toyota has in fact fixed the waste gate problem on the early manufactured ones and this has good reliability I think it will be a great truck option for many.
Good to see you Mr truck, however how’s your daughter doing was hoping she’s going to more help around
more gas = more power when towing
You guys should have a chart at the end with different trucks models, truck year, payload and mpg. To compare between make and MY. thanks!
@lu tomson Toyota Prius owners report quite the opposite though. Toyota treats their Prius warranty claims better than any other model due to image concerns. Plus the batteries have a very good reputation if you get the lithium models. If you tell your story to Toyota they'll be quick to resolve your problem so as not to get comments like yours, because they are trying hard to be a leader with the Prius.
I'm sad to say that in an apples to apples test, this hybrid Tundra isn't very impressive compared to competition in real-life towing. The hype and excitement is there in the media, but the real-life numbers are par at best when all is on a standardized test, and other auto-journalists have proven it. I'm a Toyota fanboy myself, so it hurts me worse than most to admit this. If they introduce a hybrid that has lithium batteries that can plug in and commute/run errands in EV mode and then tow and go the distance in hybrid mode, like a Rav4 Prime, then they'd be in a league of their own for the win. But too many buyers want the interior tech/bloat/luxury and not the actual function and true performance gains, so this is what we get.
yes but they dont tow the same weight and configuration so the results dont mean much..a little odd that they dont unless they want to skew the results and toyotas hybrid battery warranty sucks i got rid of my prius under warranty as the batteries were failing and they were not failing bad enough..ill wait for solid state batteries..their warranty is terrible
Regenerative braking could definitely be more aggressive especially for tow/haul. But that is definitely a nice looking truck
I love seeing Andre and Mr Truck going on the Ike together. Both of you guys got me started watching TFL years ago. It’s about time!! Keep it going guys love your content
They really need to refresh the Tundra with the Sequoia front end.
in your opinion. I like the Tundra front end, I also like that two models don't look the same.
Love to see Mr. Truck! These videos are what brought me to TFL and I love to see this combo again of Mr. Truck and Andre.
I appreciate that
Good to see Mr. Truck with Andre. I’d like to see him go on the other tow test with the slow speed and curvy two lane to get his take on that one. That’s the true toughest towing test in my opinion. I like the new Tundra. I think they vastly improved the styling.
Toyota tested the Tundra Hybrid throughout my state of West Virginia for that very reason (hills and sharp curves everywhere) before almost any information was released about this current generation, and that's where some of the image leaks in the media came from. I'm not sure if the "leaks" were on purpose or not.
Absolutely, he always has great insight and I'm so glad to see him back. I'd love to see him on the slow speed towing torture test.
The thing about Toyota is people think they are behind. What they do is perfect what they can bring before a release. It's the safest way to keep reliability and keep customers coming back with no problems.
I've always loved Tundra's and I think Toyota did a great job with the redesign and hybrid option. Completely agree with the TFL guys though, with the F150 Powerboost, Ford has Toyota beat on power export. Having a giant portable inverter is huge.
Welcome back Mr. Truck !!!! These towing tests are awesome; however, in the different conditions it is hard to compare between tests. It was 55F for this test. How would this truck have performed if it were much warmer or if the air was less dense as it was in other truck tests? Would the oil temperature stayed within limits?
Mr. TRUCK!!! I love seeing him. I love the young guys and they do a great job, but it's nice to also see the seasoned guys!!!
Now I'm seasoned, I thought I was sexy beast !
My limited experience with air ride suspensions is that they start leaking after ~5-10 year and are pretty expensive to replace/repair. Not sure if Toyota did a better job at selecting more reliable air bag components to maintain their top notch reliability reputation.
Some really good half ton choices these days. IMO it comes down to which one you think looks best. All of them are plenty capable for the average user.
@9663mu What's sad is that most buyers are looking for a living room with a microscopic bed behind it just to pretend that it's a manly "truck". How many of these trucks do you really think are going to haul firewood, dirt, or gravel? How many do you think are going to be models that can haul a piece of lumber and still close the tailgate without it sticking out? When I grew up, almost every truck had an 8 foot bed that was used multiple times per week to haul stuff that couldn't be hauled by a car or van. So what if you had two adults and two children? You didn't need a back seat; you put those two kids into the same middle seat belt or tossed them in the back with the cargo.
@FCoDx Dart how many percentages of people buying a truck look at the payload ? I’m not disagreeing with you that payload is Important but 90% of truck buyers don’t even know payload.
Payload is a big factor as well. The tundra has the least of the 4 main trucks. When looking at travel trailers this is a huge factor.
That is a sharp truck but the front grill bothers me.
Love you guys, what a dynamic duo, keep doing your thing guys and thanks a million
@M Scott Lawrence Thanks
@MrTruck you guys definitely make it fun
It's great to finally see a towing video with the hybrid Tundra. I have a 22' Limited, and it tows my 19' NOBO like a dream. Immediately after breaking it in, I took a family vaca to Glacier, from Eastern WA, and I was impressed.
My favorite duo! Btw 10k trailer is a lot for a half ton truck. Unbelievable!
@Robert Psotka well it’s supposed to be a max tow and thats the max capacity.
Yes, a bit high for 1/2 ton truck
Looking forward to tests with the 2023 Sequoia hybrid. I have a family of 6 and a 32' travel trailer. I think it shares this powertrain, so even this test was encouraging.
What do you tow with currently? Curious as I’m in the same boat.
We’ll give some kudos to Toyota. It’s been a long time coming to market. About 10 years behind everyone else. On the plus side they did some great updates but I wonder if the suspension translates over to lower model trucks. I also wonder what the cost of this beauty is. As it’s top of the line I suspect in the 70 grand range nowadays. The Toyota boys are finally gonna have something to talk about again!
We’ve got a 2011 Silverado 6.2L that the wife uses to pull her horses to shows anywhere from 10 to 500 miles away. Total weight of trailer and horses is about 7k lbs. Since the Silverado is > 11 years old and the miles are starting to get up there, I’ve been thinking of replacing it with a new truck. The Tundra Hybrid looks like it brings a LOT of updates to the equation including larger fuel capacity (32 vs 26 gallons), lower octane fuel requirements (regular vs premium), higher load and towing capacity, and a better ride/environment. In addition, with the air suspension, you can inflate and balance a heavier towing load or deflate and enjoy a nice ride with no load. I’m thinking that in addition to pulling the horses, this would be a nice road trip vehicle with good comfort & range. This might just be the one we need. Thanks for the excellent review Andre and Mr. Truck!
Great review- Thanks!. Like others have said a plug in hybrid would be great plus a version setup the like the tremor - already lifted on larger tires.
The Tundra Capstone looks like the perfect truck for racking up the miles.
I liked Andre's yelp of surprise in the intro. Always a good time with Mr. Truck!
@James Beaman Yes
@MrTruck you are such a sneaky guy!
I snuck up on him
I watch Mr.Truck on his own channel, but I really enjoy him and Andre🤙 Good simple TFL review, nostalgia is great!
Thanks for watching
Yeah, the 7.3 Super Duty Tremor Lariat cost just over the price on the capstone probably less without the winch and black-out kit. The shiny chrome and thin sidewalls are a turn-off for me, along with the grill.
You forgot the part where you didn't have to spend an hour disconnecting the trailer and charging like you would with an EV.
Solid informative review, thanks. Absolute no go here. Too light, too expensive, too complicated.
Great video. Best truck channel by far. Would like to see a direct tow and performance comparison between Tundra hybrid and non-hybrid.
Can't wait to see you two running the new HD trucks on the Ike. I'll be waiting for your results before I decide which one to buy. Is it possible you guys can run a Ram 2500 rebel? Also any chance we can get some input from Mr Truck on the seat comfort at the end?
Great job guys, you answered some of my questions. First: 3.5 mpg don't seem that good. My Duramax has never gotten less than 10 pulling a 13k 5th wheel. I never pulled it to the Colorado mountains though. Second: It sounded noisy in the cab, but 68 would be pretty good. Might just be your mics...I'm a Silverado Duramax guy right now and have been for 12 years. I have always drove Chevy's except for one Ford I tried about 25 years ago. You could say I'm a Chevy man. With that said my wife's cars have been Lexus, 3 of them and 2 Toyota. Now she has a RX450h. Same as you mentioned, you don't get any better gas mileage with the hybrid. So why have a hybrid? I'm looking to trade my Silverado, but I don't know what to go to. I don't need my 3500HD anymore. The Lexus have all been reliable with no issues over the years, so that's why I was looking at the Toyota.
Hybrids advantage lies in being able to recapture the waste power during breaking and assisting during stop and go that’s where they really shine. Long hauls up grades and the straight highway is less impressive so you really need to think about your driving style like for me personally if I did a lot of long highway trips, I would probably go diesel or straight gas even if it was in a car if I did mostly urban driving for a decent mix I would consider hybrid, if you set for long periods of time in your car/worksite,loading etc etc hybrids also really shine because the engine doesn’t need to run to work the air conditioning or heat.
Andre and Mr Truck. This is where it's at for me. You guys play off each other so well.
I know you said on the temp gauges there’s no numerical indication, but for only an 8 mile stretch that oil temperature seemed a little closer to the red zone than I would like.
That’s one of the issues with any turbocharged engine, they run hotter, at higher rpm’s and that increases the wear and tear on the engine shortening it’s lifespan.
Mr Truck and Andrey on the Ike! Best combo 😊👍🏻
Great to be back
Toyota hit a home run with the truck. If i was in the market for a new truck, its the only 1/2 ton truck I'd look at besides the Ford Hybrid. The price tag is definitely up there, but I'm guessing it will hold its value well. Outstanding video and well done Toyota.
I think Toyota dropped the ball on this. The hybrid system is basically pointless. Toyota is the hybrid system pioneer. I expected a lot more from them. Especially in the MPG dept
Truck prices are insane now. My Silverado in 2014 was 42k. A friend just paid 44k for his Tacoma (off road) 2 weeks ago. Most silverados in comparable trim to mine are now 55k. Insanity.
@Smarter Than You Nope, thank the "democratic hoax"..
@Jackmerius Tacktheretrix Exactly. I definitely wouldn't though but I understand why some will pay the new high prices with markups
@Tamayo1980 when my brother was truck shopping back in 2018 we had a 4x4 1795 in mesquite down to 48k. Now you pay that for a stripped down work truck!
@Jackmerius Tacktheretrix I got my 2019 1794 4x4 in March 2020 for 42k.. I didn't want push to start and definitely don't want the V6 TT..
Got a 21 tundra 4x4 v8 brand new 40k from the dealership
I wonder if those brake applications are mostly using the friction brakes, or the regen motor. Most hybrids/EVs do well in cruise control with the regen helping to provide the stability of speed.
Yes. I think the hybrid used mostly friction brakes. The Toyota and Ford hybrids use smaller electric motors that cannot regen enough to slow down this load. But full EV trucks can.
Not sure if they've changed this, but my 2018 f150 also defaults to normal drive mode whenever you shut it off. I agree, if the trailer is still attached (the truck even tells me it still is) why wouldn't it just stay in tow/ haul?
Impressive and great looking truck. Leasing a 21 and was thinking of buying it, rethinking 🤨
I'd rather have a system where it gives me more power than to charge my house. What a great looking truck I absolutely love the fact that whole back window goes down
Like the good ol’ days!You did the test properly, but in practice I would brake just enough to maximize regen, and then periodically brake harder if/as the speed exceeds 60.Mr. Truck, trains (locomotives) are not hybrids - they have no batteries. When using the traction motors for braking the energy all goes to heat!
Yes I agree testing also
Good to see Mr Truck and the Ike again. This is why I started watching TFL. Please make more of these. Get back to your roots.
Great video , Andre/Mr.Truck, your routine was rushed in this video , not the normal, its all good and nice to see you 2 back together, the Tundra Capstone is just that a well finished product inside and out,68 decibels at 60 mph @4000 rpms is good, my car cruising on the highway at the same speed @2850 rpms with nothing on is at 74 decibels and i thought that was good , the Tundra performed well in this towing test , $77,000 is not any different than any of the big 3 , they are in the same ball park, i agree with Andre that the pro power on board in the Ford hybrid system is a sweet thing to have in case of an outage and you do not have to buy the most expensive model to get it, that's a bit of a leg up for Ford, it would be a hard toss up between the Ford and Tundra for me , time will tell 👍
Absolutely love you guys, when are y'all gonna upgrade to 4k 60fps cameras so we can see everything like we're there!?
One thing I’ve been curious about with the new Tundra (hybrid or non-hybrid) is if using premium fuel vs 87 would result in an MPG difference. Some vehicles do, some don’t.
@The Fast Lane Truck i bet this engine would run amazing on E85. Gotta see if there are conversion kits
@Dre X Do you have proof? have you logged ignition timing and put it on the dyno?This engine has a compression ratio higher than the previous gen Tundra's V8 and runs nearly 15 psi of boost on top of that. It could probably run 100 octane and still not be at peak timing.
I use 87 because that what it says to use, runs better that way too IMHO.
I would imagine it would, especially towing. The higher temps and high boost means it will need it
We used premium 91 octane for this test.
I agree with you on the oil and transmission temperature gauges. It needs numbers or change colors from green to yellow to red. A gray bar means nothing..
I'm assuming the Tundra is similar to the other Toyota hybrids, which means it uses regenerative braking only when braking or using the cruise control.
I keep seeing this, traditional v8s are outperforming these v6s with better efficiency uphill. Ever since ford released the ecoboost and it has been compared to a v8, it has never been able to do better mpg wise when towing. They make great trucks to drive around town, but when you put a trailer behind them, they lose all efficiency. That little engine is working so much harder than the v8s are its no wonder they do. For people who tow a lot it makes me worried for the longevity of the engines and such
Would be nice to see that air suspension on base trim models. Seems like it's associated with luxury and comfort rather than work and capability... I buy my trucks to work, not as a alternative to a luxury car.
Did I miss the actual tow rating and payload rating? I was particularly curious about the payload rating on the sticker since it’s a hybrid and it’s loaded with luxury features.
@Jens Jensen that’s probably why the payload was never mentioned, it’s pitiful
yes, payload specs please - I recall from the pressers that the hybrid had a silly low payload like 1200 ish.
I agree with Mr Truck in that all trucks these days (especially the HD's imo) should have rear air bags, at least as an option, especially with the prices being so high now. We have the tech now that allows for both heavy hauling capabilities and comfortable driving.
Yes, pickups are only 60 years plus behind
But this is a $93k truck, $110k with the current market adjustment in my area. 😳 That’s borderline insanity.
i’d like to know the rear spring rate before and after self leveling. any concerns for the effects of stiffening the rear of the truck handling wise?
It's the same system used on Semis....Zero issues.
Ram have the similar, there’s no problem
It’s amazing to me these guys that review trucks never seem to really go under and look at them. The fact your ford shutters between hybrid and the combustion engine you said happens once a year, why would it surprise you the Toyota doesn’t do it after a half day of driving. Unless you’re actually saying yours does it all the time. I love the tundras side look, looks like a real truck. Love the air ride, love the five link ( although the rust belt concerns me hey it’s where I live) I’d never by a hybrid or a gas turbo v6 or any V engine with a turbo for that matter. Engines with turbos are supposed to be in a line and have those extra main bearings, pistons skirt coolers etc. Also love the rear window as always why has no one copied that, love the wood accents. Hate the price but If I had the ford money I’d go to the Toyota dealer and make more payments after I saw how all the lines and wiring is routed underneath. Also hate the front grill looks very Lexus big mouth, fragile and silly. The engine and hybrid thing I would never choose. The fact the v8 is gone doesn’t impress me they should be making a deal with hino and get a good diesel for their tundra my old land cruiser has an old 3b hino that had been around the world more times then I can count and still fires right up and is on the original drive train.
Question: Towing a 5th wheel with a two wheel drive locking diff vs four wheel drive. How easy is it to get stuck or unstuck boon docking? I can't find this test on KZclip.
As always another great video, it's good to see Toyota finally stepped up there game & can now compete with the other 1/2 ton trucks on towing. That is a sharp & strong truck but I still had rather have the V8.
@Robodrop then I’m sure you also know customers lie…”of course I’ve done all maintenance…I baby my truck..” then you find a factory oil filter on there at 50k miles and an air filter clogged with mud. Likely also has tons of videos on line of them doing burn outs, driving on the beach and mudding with of course no post trail cleanup….I own a Ram and a BMW - two vehicles with bad reputations for issues. Both are 8+ years old, well into 100k mile territory. No major issues, because I take care of them. Pay now or pay more later…
@Smarter Than You That's good to hear. I have a shop that lives off of these vehicles failing. Your maintenance on them surely helps
@Robodrop I have just under 224,000 miles on my 2010 F150 XTR trim and it’s had no issues aside from the factory SiriusXM radio rarely cutting out . Followed regular maintenance and it just works . Steering has some play in the Centre, but it’s been a fantastic work truck .
@Marigold The Midnight Rider if a fleet vehicle that gets abused, is better maintained than “the average owner”, then they deserve the breakdowns 😂
@Smarter Than You you are illustrating the difference of fleet trucks which receive scheduled maintenance on fluids, filters and parts. Versus a pov which maynot be taken care of as dilligently.
When I walked in the dealer considering buying one and they told me $20,000 over MSRP that’s all I needed to walk out! no truck with the piss poor capabilities of that half ton is worth that much money!
Hi Andre, What was your overall MPG in the towing test?
I got close to 10 MPG towing back home on flattish highways.
I'm really interested on seeing how this truck holds up in the long term. Toyota has never turbo charged anything other than a Supra and having dual turbochargers I wonder if the engine wears out twice as fast? Yeah it's good when it's below 50,000 miles on the car but long-term I just don't see it and paying $70 almost 80 grand to find out no thanks
Supra, mr2, chaser, celica, RAV4, 4Runner, Camry, Corolla and many more Toyotas have had turbos in them. Just because it’s not the United States doesn’t mean they don’t do it 😂
I own a 1998 Supra with the stock twin turbos still with 160k miles. I've had no issues with the turbos. Technology of turbochargers now is vastly superior than the technology turbos from 30 years ago. The idea that turbos will wear out is in my opinion, an unproven assumption. For me, regardless if an engine is normally aspirated or forced induction, if you don't maintain it, it will fail. Also, the Supra is not the only turbo engine Toyota has ever produced. The MR2, 4 Runner, Soarer, Chaser, Camry, Celica, Hi-Ace, Landcruiser, and I'm sure I'm missing others, all came with a turbo option engine.
You are wrong about Toyota and how many cars they have made with turbos on them. Also Trains and Semi trucks use turbos all the time. If they were such an issue, they wouldn't still be using them today. The big three use them too, so hating on a turbo?? whatevs
Exactly and they gave an estimate on what it would cost to replace those turbos you have to take out the transmission or the engine to get to them just like you do on the Ford cuz they put them underneath the car in between the frame and the transmission on this one so you're looking at probably 8 to 10 grand to replace them with labor and parts parts
Would be nice if you added the following talking points/analysis.1. Payload2. Confidence and Frequency you'd perform a max tow with the truck vs. deciding that upgrading to a more capable vehicle (HD or 2500) is the better choice.
@M C Ya, thats why I went with a F150. 1800lb Payload.
I’d venture to say they were over payload on this one….I’ve shopped the new Tundra, the lack of payload capacity is what turned me away. The SR5 that I looked at had just over 1200 payload…
If Toyota added a system like Ford's Power Onboard it would be a perfect truck. I use mine almost daily at jobsites. I used to use a generator and now there's no need for one.
@Jean Toronto Raptors Being disappointed is an opinion. I'm not allowed to be disappointed that their truck doesn't have as much power available as their minivan? Toyota clearly has the capability to implement it, especially on a truck this expensive. This hybrid Tundra has an electrical system that the engineers did not fully utilize in order to compete with the only other current hybrid truck, the F150, so of course it's going to be directly compared. Ram, GM, and Nissan 1/2 ton trucks all have 400W outlets available, same as this hybrid truck, which has far greater electrical generation capabilities. They phoned it in when designing features on this truck.
@rw0037 your expatiationwas to high… how is this disappointing you when Toyota never have that option before. Only ford offers power on board..Ram, Chevy, GMC and Nissan don’t offer power on board
It's honestly disappointing they didn't have that. Toyota's hybrid minivan has a 1.5kW system, yet they only give their full-size hybrid truck 400W? They definitely made a few bad decisions designing this truck.
The Tundra is very good. Hoping that the new Tacoma will come with a Hybrid option too. That would be the truck I would love to get
I hope the 4runner goes that route as well.
Would love to see a chart of all of the trucks you've taken on the Ike gauntlet and how they compare
I'll keep my 5.7 till the wheels fell off nice
Well.... it'll be a gooood while.
Can’t help but notice that the oil pressure was really low while sitting at 4000rpm. If that gauge is correct that motor won’t last long.
Cool. Still would rather have the V8 again. Yeah it has less output but it’s just simpler with less to go wrong, longer service life, and does about the same mpg wise when towing.
Yes but we are talking 1500s not 35 hundreds or bigger so yeah I would like to see a diesel but we need a diesel that's reliable not these junk diesels at the Put in them
@Scott Mendoza you realize most big trucks run an inline6? V8s are just cheap and compact. Not the best.
@Cid L Toyota sells super reliable diesel trucks overseas so they definitely have the technology - they just don't want to bring those here because of the US regulations.
There's no replacement of V8 they can put 100 turbos in and it doesn't matter
I wonder if the hybrid system comes off when doing such power load?
Just to be clear, the video does NOT represent the amount of brake applications that the Tundra necessarily requires going down Loveland Pass because the driver did not use the vehicle’s transmission in the way that the engineers purposely designed it to be used. Therefore, this video, while entertaining, is not reflective of the true capabilities of the truck.
I gotta admit that having rear air is definitely the way to go for towing. I just towed a 3500 lb popup 600 miles with my GX470 and having the rear air makes it SO easy. My trailer is single axle and really long for a single axle (with kind of crap weight distribution) so it makes a HUGE difference to tow it level. Not only does it completely auto level and compensate for the weight but it makes hitching and unhooking really easy - raise it to high, put down the tongue jack, unhook and chock the tires, and then set it to low and you are done. Hooking up is even easier, back up to the trailer in low and guide it in with the backup camera and put it in high and it hitches itself. I changed the airbags when I bought it at 126,000 miles and Im at 180,000 miles are everything still works great.
I was hoping for a super Ike with the tundra. Great video, and it was good to see Mr. Truck and Andre back in action together.
I always expect the unexpected from you guys. Like the Hummer which cannot pull it's own weight being compared to a diesel truck
Ike gauntlet with Mr. Truck and Andre is the heart of this channel. I’ve seen basically every single one of these videos, and used them heavily when deciding between a RAM Cummins and a Ford 7.3.
That Cummins is hard to pass up, however with DEF now days I would rather have a hybrid system like this, unless you could delete the DEF off of the truck.
Braking hard on any hybrid bypasses regenerative braking contribution. You would be better off light braking the entire way down to dump a ton of energy into the hybrid battery. "The battery" normally refers to the 12V system.
@The Replacement for Displacement I believe Toyota said they went with NiMH because it is cheaper, easier to replace and more recycle-able at the end if it's life when compared to the Lithium batteries.
I have a limited hybrid. I live in the mountains. It only takes about 1.5 miles of light braking unloaded and it kicks the truck out of hybrid mode because the battery is full. It won’t engage again until I hit the town at the bottom but it has enough energy to drive all the way through that town on battery alone.
@The Fast Lane Truck Light braking shouldn't use any mechanical brakes and would back up transmission braking if possible but you're right that the hybrid battery would top off quickly and benefits of hybrid would be out the door until the next uphill. I am extremely disappointed in the NiMH battery they put in the truck, I think the same volume of lithium battery operating in the sweet spot of its capacity range would be way more useful even if not plug-in hybrid. I understand that NiMH works but it is old tech for that premium price.
Yes, but it doesn’t work like this in current Hybrid pickup trucks. The 1.87 kWh is usually maintained at about half state of charge. On the way down with light braking , the battery would get full within a couple of miles. Most of the braking needs to come from the transmission grade shifting and engine braking. Otherwise the friction brakes would burn up.
Beautiful truck. The price is almost diesel 3/4 ton or SRW 1 ton though. If I didn't tow so heavy, I would buy one.
I'm vey glad to see Kent(MR truck) back in the channel. When it comes to towing, he is my go to guy
Wish you would have done the test with the f100 so it would be easy to compare the hybrid vs non-hybrid tundra. The extra 2k being towed made it hard to gauge if the hybrid improved anything
Always enjoy your videos!Great information, real world facts. Thank you.
Thank you for watching.
Glad to see Mr truck back. When you do tow tests do you use regular or premium fuel? Is there a big enough difference to even matter
@Dive Bar Casanova I would not use that. Not unless it's a 60's carb engine. Will hurt a modern engine
BTW: Also there is a 85 regular where they tow test at.
I love Ike Gauntlet videos. It’s the type of conversation I would be having if I’m with a friend.
You are a friend
Andre the only time you had it in any type of tow-haul mode was when you was going down the mountain testing the engine braking. The new Tundra and older version always displays whatever mode you choose on the dash it doesn’t stop illuminating unless you turn it off or don’t have it on from the get go it will shut off if you turn the vehicle off. Let’s see how the Tundras rpm’s and transmission performs with tow-haul plus mode actually on towing 10,000 lbs up the Super Ike Gauntlet and when you floor it from 35 to 60mph. They equip the Tundra with the new tow-haul plus feature for a reason it’s only fair to use it during these test no reason to judge or discredit the Tundra in comparison to the competition unless all tow features are on and the test are truly compared equally to whatever the competition may be. When you do the decibel test ask Toyota is there a way to turn the speakers off from making the fake V8 engine noise that way you get a accurate measurement. Love your videos keep up the great work glad somebody decided to do what you do that way people know what they are truly getting before they buy a truck.
I'm still in awe that people pay for both a muffler and fake engine noise on the same truck. Never underestimate the power of stupidity.
I think when you are aggressively breaking you are over riding the hybrid system and using physical brake pads instead of regenerative braking.
Can't wait to watch. These are my favorite videos that you guys do
Glad you watched
I think this is a good truck despite the price. Toyota will be one of the last remaining holdouts with gasoline IC engines for their trucks.
Hello Andre. I like to see Me Truck doing an ike with you. It take me back in the first years that i began to watch TFL I think it was in 2014 because at that time i was in search for a new pick-up. At that time, i was gathering informations on the F-150 3.5 ecoboost.
I appreciate it
If you could have the mileage, power and torque, without the maintenance costs and guaranteed service/downtime - repair/replacement of these turbos, in a V8 - it sure would be nice.
IMHO, hybrids are the way to go, you get the best of both worlds. This can always be improved on, I have great suggestions that haven't been thought of yet. My ideas are for sale btw. That price is actually very affordable.
@Robert Huss I think the key problem is the testing to establish range. Vehicles are put on a dyno in a laboratory. They aren’t driven on the road in real world conditions. Adding a trailer and steep inclines are obviously going to alter range. Should it alter it this extreme, not at all. The only benefit here is the increased opportunity to refuel and much less downtime. In the end, I think vehicles should be required to be driven on real roads to establish fuel/power usage
@Joe Steel Although to be fair, this truck went from an estimated 700 miles of range down to 112 while towing on this test (3.5mpg x 32 gallon tank). Towing just eats a lot of range no matter the vehicle.
@Thomas then I’d probably start with getting off of your very unnatural cell phone, using KZclip, using vehicles in general and bananas. After that, there’s plenty of other unnatural things humans do you can work on removing yourself from
@Joe Steel I’m leery of anything that isn’t natural. Having a giant battery right under your nuts doesn’t seem like a good idea. I question the long term implications of vaccines too.
@Thomas yes, nearly everything with electric emits EMF’s but they can be at levels that aren’t even worth talking about because they’re nowhere near dangerous. This would include the smartphone or laptop used to make these comments. Hell too much water can kill you, are you afraid of items that contain water?
I like the truck in general but they need to step up to 3/4 and 1 ton models, and it doesn't make sense to have the electric to fill in the gaps of the gas engine. The torque you get out of an electric drive is far superior so build an electric truck platform with a 4 cylinder engine to maintain battery level.