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Is 40,000 Lbs of Towing Capacity OVERKILL for the New Ford Super Duty? Let's Take a Deep Dive!


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  • Finnian Fitzsimons
    Finnian Fitzsimons 2 ай бұрын +27

    It’d be cool to see TFL get a big duely, we’ve never seen that

    • Vincent
      Vincent 2 ай бұрын +2

      It's spelled dually

  • Omar Devon Little
    Omar Devon Little 2 ай бұрын +10

    This guy deserves to be as proud as he is. There is industry leading and then theres buryinggg the entire segment. If only the QC guys could keep up with the engineers over at the blue oval

  • Jon Wheelis
    Jon Wheelis 2 ай бұрын +3

    For a very long time I have advocated owning a Corvette for the Car to drive and Super Duty Diesel for the Truck to drive as being the ultimate all around driving experiences for the safety, convenience and useability features they represent. It is just a shame the way the automobile manufacturing industry has evolved into restricting the production output so as to drive the cost to the consumer to a level that should actually shame the manufacturers. The whole point to the American car manufacturing process was mass production the keep the cost of production to the very minimum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just another prime example of Corporate "GREED" across the board & America's Ideals in general!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • M1089 A2
    M1089 A2 2 ай бұрын +11

    Should of questioned him more on the why they didn’t bump the 7.3 up a bit more. Not a large enough gap between 6.8 & 7.3

    • BigJohnDiesel
      BigJohnDiesel 13 күн бұрын

      Don't over load a gasser!!

    • John Ross
      John Ross 21 күн бұрын +1

      Upfitters build mostly stock components 7.3 that go from 550 up to 900HP. EMI nse torque. Ford can juice this much more with no stress or expense.

    • Alex Mills
      Alex Mills 2 ай бұрын

      @Van B the 7.3 is the long life medium duty engine, it’s not going anywhere there, but it may be getting pushed out of pickups just like the 6.8 was for a more efficient powerful enough engine for most users.

    • Van B
      Van B 2 ай бұрын +2

      Here’s my guess: the 6.8 is an evolution of the 7.3, and the long term goal is to develop the engine that will eventually be part of the future hybrid drivetrain. So, it wouldn’t make sense to continue and spend time and resources on the 7.3. That’s also why I think the 6.8 is so damn close to the 7.3. Ford will see most fleet vehicles spec’d with the 6.8 which will mean tons of development data.

    • Silent but Deadly
      Silent but Deadly 2 ай бұрын +1

      Exactly, 450hp and 500ftlbs would’ve been perfect for the 7.3

  • Outdoor Atheist
    Outdoor Atheist 2 ай бұрын +1

    Would have been great if they had mentioned the rear end used for the max towing.

  • Leo Ahearn
    Leo Ahearn 2 ай бұрын +1

    The 6.2/6 speed combo was an absolute dog in the F250. The 10 speed Godzilla combo is night and day different. The new 6.8 is 10% larger displacement than the 6.2 but simpler, more power, better economy, greatly improved drivability we should expect.

  • Thomas Vittetoe
    Thomas Vittetoe 2 ай бұрын +2

    I hope they get a truck that can actually tow that much, I’m sure it will be a single cab

  • Vincent
    Vincent 2 ай бұрын +3

    They need to have a manual transmission in the F-250 and the F-350 in both gas and diesel engines

  • RamnRob
    RamnRob 2 ай бұрын +1

    Great work Ardre. I'm assuming the 6.8 to be the new RV motor.

  • David Lindgren
    David Lindgren Ай бұрын +1

    Amazing that he was there from the beginning. Pretty cool to see how far the trucks have come.

  • Carter Logistics LLC
    Carter Logistics LLC 2 ай бұрын +2

    At 40klbs I hope they have a really good exhaust brake on that thing. At that weight I think engine braking might be necessary also but what do I know I'm just a truck driver 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • Carter Logistics LLC
      Carter Logistics LLC 2 ай бұрын

      @Philip Parana this towing number war is getting a tad bit ridiculous

    • Philip Parana
      Philip Parana 2 ай бұрын +1

      You literally need a CDL for those weights, who is pulling 40k on non air brakes.

  • Rob L
    Rob L Ай бұрын

    Its amazing how many engines have been used in the last 20yrs by Ford for their trucks.

  • Jake Lee
    Jake Lee 2 ай бұрын +3

    Gotta love that bs payload package with no spare tire that almost no dealer will order, but simply exists as an option on the sheet so Ford can advertise a big number...

  • Jonathan Gleadle
    Jonathan Gleadle 2 ай бұрын +7

    @Andre Why did you not ask about specifics on the axle upgrades coming for 2023 ? I for one would like to know the difference between the 2022 vs 2023 F450 front and rear axles.

    • Jim White
      Jim White Ай бұрын

      6wd dually and everything!

    • Jim White
      Jim White Ай бұрын +1

      I'm getting the f450. With pretty much everything. 100 gallon Gasoline
      Tank. Alot of long distance driving. Has to be dependable. And luxurious comfort. Hi tech and rational economic. I'm paying cash.

    • 67 C10
      67 C10 2 ай бұрын +1

      He has COVID during this interview. Probably hard remembering his name!! 😂😂. Pretty d*mn decent he is still working though!!
      I agree your questions are great really though. Hopefully they will tackle your questions when they get their first 23 SuperDuty. If you do an email through TFLs main email address with Andrey’s name in the title he may be able to get back to you. It has worked for me in the past! Good luck!

  • 67 C10
    67 C10 2 ай бұрын

    The Chief Technical Officer and his first truck was a SuperDuty was a SuperCab!! Great choice!! Of course I’m a biased individual there. Great interview fellas.
    Thanks for doing this while feeling pretty lousy Andrey!! You are truly dedicated. Well done!
    I have to admit I may like the Chevy/GMC HD trucks with the 6.6 and 10 speed automatic coming up in 2024. I am a Ford guy, but they don’t cut it in the looks and I’m never going to put even a 3/4 ton to the limit, let alone a 1 ton. I will be hauling a 2,000 lb camper if I replace an 1100 lb camper. The enclosed trailer I tow won’t exceed 5500 lbs or it will be a 20 foot fishing Pontoon boat with a 90 hp Merc on the back. Just liking the GMs in appearances currently, both inside and out. I will have until 2024 to decide, or really next summer to compare and decide. Pricing will be a factor and currently GM wins by a fair amount for my tastes and needs. I say this with a painful look on my face as my daily driver is a 2022 F150 Tremor!! Haha.
    Looking forward to what 2024 brings for all 3 HD trucks out there! That Hurricane 6 cylinder Ram has is impressive and showing much higher HP and torque!! 510 hp and with the turbocharger, the torque band is as wide as Texas!!

  • Chad C
    Chad C 2 ай бұрын

    I think in 1977 a Chevy 1500 towed 60,000 lbs of logs... Just because it could doesn't mean you should... How do you stop safely without air brakes????

  • Alexander
    Alexander 2 ай бұрын +6

    Are the trucks going to become available - production wise? And is ford controlling the dealerships and keeping them from ridiculous mark-ups…

    • Alexander
      Alexander 2 ай бұрын +4

      @underscr0e it blows my mind what people were paying for vehicles during the “pandemic”

    • underscr0e
      underscr0e 2 ай бұрын +1

      @Alexander local realtors say people that remortgaged/refinanced are starting to freak and trying to sell their house now that they originated with a 350,000 mortgage and now sitting at a 500,000 with higher interest rates thanks to rolling a bunch of different loans into the new mortgage. Its going to be a bunch of people racing to sell at the same time dropping prices too slowly and losing the race to sell. At least auto manufacturers know they need to drop prices hard and fast….

    • underscr0e
      underscr0e 2 ай бұрын +1

      @Emd=mc^2 450 steering is soooo much better.

    • Emd=mc^2
      Emd=mc^2 2 ай бұрын +1

      Except for 450s, dealers in my area have been marking down SD trucks for months.

    • Van B
      Van B 2 ай бұрын

      The market is about to be flooded with 2022s that are finally shipped with chips installed. So, supply will prevent dealers from being able to justify markups. I ordered my 2023 super duty for $1k under MSRP. I think people buying from dealer inventory will do even better than I did

  • BIGDAVE5352
    BIGDAVE5352 2 ай бұрын +1

    Is the 1200 ft lbs of torque available throughout all gears? Or do they use the progressive torque management thus limiting maximum Horsepower and Torque in the top gears?

    • ArmyProperty
      ArmyProperty 2 ай бұрын +2

      They need to limit torque in the bottom gears because the transmission multiplies torque. So if the engine put too much torque into the trans in low gears, it would kill the diff / axles.

    • Alex Mills
      Alex Mills 2 ай бұрын +3

      They limit torque in the first gears because the axle wouldn’t be able to take it, and they’ve done it for years now.

  • garebare48
    garebare48 2 ай бұрын

    There are trucker navigation apps out already. I use one when towing.

  • Knight Of Light
    Knight Of Light Ай бұрын +1

    We will always love these trucks.

  • mario
    mario 2 ай бұрын

    You should offer the 6.8 in the f150

  • garebare48
    garebare48 2 ай бұрын +1

    I hope you’re well soon, Andre!

    • TFLnow
      TFLnow 2 ай бұрын

      Thank you. Getting better every day!

  • Alexander
    Alexander 2 ай бұрын +7

    Military grade aluminum 🤣🤣🤣 Reynolds’s wrap is military grade aluminum 😂😂😂 I crack up when they say things like that 🥸🥸🥸

    • Alexander
      Alexander 2 ай бұрын +1

      @Raul Chavira 🤣🤣🤣

    • Raul Chavira
      Raul Chavira 2 ай бұрын +2

      Military grade doesn't mean squat. Military grade usually means the cheapest built.

    • bill pace
      bill pace 2 ай бұрын +1

      Yes, agreed! Another favorite is “machined from billet aluminum”

  • Mark Collins
    Mark Collins 2 ай бұрын +2

    Boy oh Boy, I have some issue's with any truck that can pull 40,000lbs. If you actually need all that have at it, but it wasn't all that long ago that Ford built the Excursion (short lived excess). A self proclaimed jack of all trades these vehicles don't have a great track record. More more more adds to the complexity and at some point just buy a real medium duty truck and a F150 to drive to the the 19th hole!

  • Rich
    Rich 18 күн бұрын

    If you keep it to 80% of what the manufacturer rates it at you are probably in the right territory. I personally wouldn't tow 20t with a 4t truck, but if your survival instinct isn't quite as sensitive as mine then go for it.

  • TremorF250
    TremorF250 2 ай бұрын +1

    Andre, please tell this Ford representative there is one major change they missed completely. I do not understand how they missed this since he is boasting all about the massive towing and payload capacity. If towing heavy or heavy payload then you need to provide larger fuel tanks in the short bed trucks. If transfer flow can figure out how to make a 58 gallon tank for the gassers, Ford engineers should also be able to figure that out. Also Ford is missing profit margin. Instead of customers paying transfer flow $2700 for the tank, Ford could be charging for larger tank option and keeping that money instead of it going to an outside vendor.

    • Chris Wilson
      Chris Wilson Ай бұрын


    • Chris Wilson
      Chris Wilson Ай бұрын

      Take a look at the Ford Super Duty Bulletin for 2023. The F350 Diesel does not list fuel tank sizes. I find it conspicuously absent.

  • Jack PRick
    Jack PRick 2 ай бұрын +1

    This guys mentions over and over “pain points” ford customers had towing. And his answers are extremely general, not really answering the question. For example, how did you achieve 40,000 lb towing capacity. His answer: we raised towing capacity across most configurations. We don’t want to go for a few big numbers, we wanted to go across the board.

  • DmbWorks
    DmbWorks 12 күн бұрын

    i got a 2020 4 door 4x4 long bed XL 6.7 because it was on the lot for 52k at the time. looking at trucks now im glad i did.

  • steve taylor
    steve taylor 2 ай бұрын +4

    I have a 3.5 ecoboost rated at 11300 lbs towing…I tow a 9000 lbs toy hauler…is scary!! So I just bought a 7.3 F250 rated at 15300. I think towing ratings should be cut in half!!! My F150 can no way tow 11300!!! And my 7.3 is getting 11 mpg empty
    My F150 get 19 mpg empty and 8 mpg pulling the toy hauler… just my experience.
    Love your channels

    • Robert Ryan
      Robert Ryan 2 ай бұрын

      They do rhat in Australia downrate US Pickup Trucks for the reasons you stated

    • Alex Mills
      Alex Mills 2 ай бұрын +1

      The size matters a lot more than the weight. My buddy tows a 14k dump trailer loaded to about 12k in his 150 fine… but that weight is low to the ground and not very affected by wind

  • Vincent
    Vincent 2 ай бұрын +1

    Semi trailers are only 13'6" high. I don't think that there are trailers higher than that and if you are pulling a tall trailer, you should know the height of viaducts and overpasses, if you don't have that knowledge and experience, you shouldn't be pulling a trailer.
    If you can't back up the trailer without the "assist "you shouldn't be pulling a trailer

    • Vincent
      Vincent 2 ай бұрын

      @Alex Mills I know, but they were referring to camping trailers

    • Alex Mills
      Alex Mills 2 ай бұрын

      There’s always oversized loads… just a permit away

  • John Ross
    John Ross 21 күн бұрын

    For those who run over the road, still get Tremor package. Why? Road hazards…all the extra under side plates (more and stronger than FX/4), forged wheel (pot holes), better/smoother rough highway road ride, heavier duty components. I know all this first hand. Oh, if you get the 6.7, add the ambulance package for dual alternator, and block heater. Plus, get the “camper” package for bed camper. Adds extra sway bars for better normal handling in dry and wet weather. If looking at 250, think 350 single axle. Again, over the many miles into six figures, the 350 underpinnings are so much stronger. 350 uplift price is not much more than 350.
    HUD! Woot woot! About time!

  • Mr Ed
    Mr Ed 2 ай бұрын +1

    Super duty work trucks have to much fluff running the price up if I want a that high priced fluff I’ll buy a Lincoln or a Cadillac

  • Randy's Restoration
    Randy's Restoration 2 ай бұрын +3

    50,000 super duty orders in first 5 days!

  • Bill Chesney
    Bill Chesney 2 ай бұрын

    When are we Canadians going to be able to order a new Superduty. Still no models and prices that will be available in Canada

  • Shear Energy
    Shear Energy 2 ай бұрын

    Great job andry sounds like you got a cold buddy stay warm

  • r k
    r k 2 ай бұрын

    Can you do an interview with XL Fleet Co.. (after market hybrid kit)

  • Van Roberts
    Van Roberts 2 ай бұрын +1

    Hauling that much weight you are better off driving a Summit Hauler Freightliner

  • Helge Williams
    Helge Williams 2 ай бұрын +1

    To bad normal working people can no longer afford the super duty 😕

  • Big Billy Ray Fan
    Big Billy Ray Fan 2 ай бұрын +1

    Side box steps are big fail. Figure out a better way.

  • S. S. Young
    S. S. Young 2 ай бұрын

    40,000 lb of Towing..... at what point do we need to add air ride so we don't bust our spine when we hit a pothole?

  • DPL 26
    DPL 26 Ай бұрын

    I find it interesting that this guy is so concerned about what the customers have to say?
    Seems like Ford isn't at all concerned about customers when it comes to warranty and other problems 🤔
    How about the disastrous years of the 6.0 & 6.4 diesels? Howabout the forever "Death Wabble" problems that they refuse to acknowledge? And more recently the 10spd transmission issues just to name a few???
    And finally the world class piss-poor dealership Quick Lane customer service.
    This guy just seemed to be towing the company narrative, sketchy. Not impressed.

  • r k
    r k 2 ай бұрын +1

    Gmc has 4A, 4h,4l and 2H....... when will Ford add 4A to super duty. Also, when will HD get lane centering?

    • little Finkle
      little Finkle Ай бұрын

      Why? I have never needed 4A. I have a locking rear and don't see the need for the 4A.

    • r k
      r k 2 ай бұрын

      @Silent but Deadly yes you are right i meant 4A should be added to HD.... i just corrected the comment. 4A is a transfer case upgrade in all F150 lariat trim and up.

    • Agent Carder
      Agent Carder 2 ай бұрын +1

      @Silent but Deadly I think he meant 4A

    • Silent but Deadly
      Silent but Deadly 2 ай бұрын

      The superduty has 4 high and 4 low

  • bigbadbob143
    bigbadbob143 2 ай бұрын +1

    I ordered a 350 SW Super cab long bed Lariat with the HO. I am disappointed that interior is ONLY Black Onyx. Baja is not available.

  • Allen Baker
    Allen Baker 2 ай бұрын +1

    14 foot tall Come on man legal Height is 13-6

  • Chris
    Chris 2 ай бұрын +2

    Military grade is not a type of aluminum. It's a type of hype. Are they using 6061 or 6063? or 7073(doubtful)????

    • Alex Mills
      Alex Mills 2 ай бұрын

      I’m pretty sure just 6061 but I know that info is out there somewhere

  • Rick James
    Rick James 2 ай бұрын

    Can this reall pull 40,000 pounds.

  • Richard Mccain
    Richard Mccain Ай бұрын

    That is medium-duty truck territory.

  • Chris Martone
    Chris Martone Ай бұрын

    I'm curious to know what the weight difference is between the 6.7 and 6.7HO....

    • John Ross
      John Ross 21 күн бұрын

    • ArkansaDave1
      ArkansaDave1 25 күн бұрын +1

      can't be much since the main difference is just liquid cooling on the turbo, or maybe I am missing something.

  • twoblah1
    twoblah1 2 ай бұрын

    why did they quit offering the blue metallic color on the super duty trucks. we love that color

  • Richard Mccain
    Richard Mccain Ай бұрын

    Born in 1998 means no EGR system and no problems.

  • Vincent
    Vincent 2 ай бұрын +1

    What's the point of having a truck without a spare tire, that's stupid and unsafe because if you get a flat tire,you can't change the tire and you're stranded in the middle of nowhere and possibly in bad areas and the cost of getting towed to the shop

  • Maxwell Fowler
    Maxwell Fowler 2 ай бұрын +12

    My pain points would be spending $100,000 to buy the truck and then the transmission failing as soon as the warranty expires.

    • little Finkle
      little Finkle Ай бұрын +1

      @Christopher. I have never flushed. Drain, change filters, and fill. Never had a tranny fail and own 2 superduties with over 400k miles. Tow with them daily. Excavator, skid steer, and tool trailers.

    • DPL 26
      DPL 26 Ай бұрын +1

      @Christopher. Has nothing to do with a flush. Transmissions are failing well under 30k.

    • Christopher.
      Christopher. 2 ай бұрын +4

      I think a big part of that is folks wait too long for the first flush. Ford has 100k listed for “normal driving” but these trucks tow… which then says sever 30k miles…. So folks do a flush too late and then it starts slipping

  • 1993Cobra
    1993Cobra 10 күн бұрын

    These trucks are getting thinner metal and lighter weights and can tow 40k lbs? Something doesn't add up here and there are more people with more .money than brains

  • Zack Riden
    Zack Riden 2 ай бұрын

    diesl 5.50 where i live just sayin

  • smith jones
    smith jones 2 ай бұрын +4

    I'm so glad I haven't caught the virus that makes you randomly say "right?" yet!

    • RG Moffat
      RG Moffat 2 ай бұрын

      It seems the virus is a derivative of the Canadian “eya”, it’s moved into Michigan as “right”. Everyone from the Detroit area or in the auto industry seems infected - they are always looking for agreement - right? Public speaking classes address “um” “aaa”, but now it needs to address “right” after every sentence -right?

  • Lone Rider
    Lone Rider 2 ай бұрын +1

    If the ford tows 40k lbs, it should break within a mile or 2.

    • Nathan McDonald
      Nathan McDonald 2 ай бұрын +1

      Kind of like the GM EV Hummer did for TFL?

  • American survival
    American survival 2 ай бұрын +1

    So I have towed 25,000 with my ram 3500 many times and exceeded that maximum towing capacity by three or 4 tons in many cases but there is a safety margin that seems to be missing from Ford and if anyone who’s a mechanic knows these trucks or has towing understanding there isn’t any difference between a 3500 ram and a 3500 Ford that are similar in capability but Ford will always state that their vehicle can tow much more than I believe is safe with these vehicles as they are similarly equipped what Ford want you to believe is that ram can’t build a truck capable of these towing numbers, they already have what they’ve decided is not to get involved in liability by pushing the limit beyond where it should be that is left to the “customer“ if we want to exceed those numbers we can the liability falls on us. Ford seems to be just pulling numbers out of the air, Like they usually do and it’s going to come back and bite them when one of these trucks fails and hurt someone any ram truck similar equipped is just as capable as any Ford but anyone who toes heavy loads knows when they’re at the limit of the truck regardless of what the sticker says on the door I have friends who have towed loads that were as heavy as I’ve pulled behind my ram and they struggled and yet the door sticker said that truck was capable of that weight there is a lie being perpetrated by Ford who just wants to have the top number at any cost and believe me the cost will come as they have decided to leave “reality“ and just pull numbers out their butt. there are hot shutters that will tell you that a Ford will pull very heavy loads but has a very tough time holding them back coming down the mountain and it only takes one mistake or one failed part remember the entire drivetrain suspension and even the frame obviously all have to have the same capability including the engine I’m holding that weight back that means the engine has to have the capability of holding back 40,000 pounds which is different than moving 40,000 pounds , and the brakes have to do all the work to bring that load to a stop, everyone needs to remember that part of the equation there’s a reason that maximums are set inside of a margin of safety I don’t believe Ford is staying within the margin of safety but exceeding it and leaving none. I can feel it in my bones there is an incident coming because someone will try to tow these numbers and the truck will fail. towing at the Ike gauntlet is a short test and not reflective of what happens in the real world after you have 150,000 miles on the vehicle., It’s just one example people who understand this and know better would not want to have 40,000 pounds behind them in a power stroke coming down the gauntlet lol whether it’s new or three years old, there is a reason they put air brakes on a school bus because they are more than capable of bringing the load to a stop in any circumstance even if they were hot they are still capable so the margin of safety is 50% more capability on the braking of a school bus.

    • Alex Mills
      Alex Mills 2 ай бұрын +1

      Typical dodge owner… “my Cummins can do over sticker safely all day, but that new Ford that no one has driven yet, that thing will kill people hauling it’s rated load” over loaders are the problem.

    • Jeff Clark
      Jeff Clark 2 ай бұрын +4

      Uh, the days of exaggerating payload and towing numbers is long gone bro. Ford isn't exaggerating squat. All manufacturers have to abide by SAE J2807 standards to get the numbers they are printing.
      So, it's not Ford trying to get the consumer to believe Ram can't keep up, it's an actual engineered standard that's stating it.
      Bottom line, Ram and GM are getting beat and quite honestly, Ford can simply just turn a dial and get whatever they want to obtain out of the 6.7 and there is nothing Ram or GM can do about it. IDK, maybe take another buyout and develop something new.
      What's even funnier, Ford fully redesigned the 2023 and it's still much cheaper than the newest Ram that didn't change anything. Ram just jacked their pricing up for no reason.
      Your competition is GM, beat them first before you try to compete with Ford (you cant).

  • yayogt666
    yayogt666 2 ай бұрын +1

    It’s console not council Jesus man and good Christ w the uuhhhms rant over 😢

  • Kevin Upton
    Kevin Upton 2 ай бұрын +1


    • 9663mu
      9663mu 2 ай бұрын +1

      Someone give this man a lifetime achievement award for posting first in a KZclip comments. What a huge accomplishment! Wow! ABC mouse worked for you! 😂