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  • Razhork
    Razhork 2 ай бұрын +1297

    Regarding Pidia & Seluvis:
    When Pidia dies, you ordinarily loot Dolores' puppet off of his corpse which is 1 of 2 puppets with the flavor text "Favorite puppet of Seluvis". The interesting part is that Pidia can also drop another puppet - Nepheli Loux - if you handed her Seluvis' potion. Nepheli Loux is the other puppet with "Favorite puppet..." flavor text as well.
    Those 2 puppets are uniquely only obtained when Pidia dies, they're both uniquely favorites of Seluvis', and both of them relate to Gideon Ofnir one way or another.

    • Oliver LaRosa
      Oliver LaRosa 10 күн бұрын

      Interesting points

    • Mathieux Laflamme
      Mathieux Laflamme 11 күн бұрын +1

      @gooblop tell me you havent read a single thing I wrote without telling me you havent read a single thing I wrote. Its not like I already explained in details how the supposedly damning evidence isnt as strong when analyzed by someone who doesnt already have his preconceived ideas.
      How do I know you didnt read a single thing? (Btw you arent the only one, literally nobody in this thread even tried to counter any arguments i brought) Because i said numerous times that my whole point is that the theory isnt as solid as people think. You also brings some arguments that i already talked about in lenght in a previous comment.
      Also. There's never a reason to start insulting someone during a civil argument about some fictionnal world's lore. And whats that about annoying people? Just because someone has a different opionion than you about something that isnt confirmed anywhere doesnt mean they are annoying. I always was very civil in my responses, i never tried to insult anybody. If someone having a different opinion than you annoys you, you need to rethink quite a bit about what discussing lore theories means.

    • gooblop
      gooblop 15 күн бұрын

      @Mathieux Laflamme Your insistence to keep blindly repeating that we need to ignore all the evidence is what leads to people insulting you. Your main strategy seems to be to annoy people into insulting you and then claiming you get to ignore their valid points because of that. The very simple fact of the matter is that Pidia controls Seluvis, way too much evidence points directly to this including them sharing "favorite" puppets seemingly for no reason, and them "dying" during the same world state change.
      You seem to mistakenly think that Seluvis "dies" first and this disproves the theory, but this sounds like you just don't understand what puppets are at all. Puppets are something people can control, not something they need to control 24/7. Seluvis stops moving before Pidia actually dies because Pidia is dealing with other things, like some of his puppets rebelling against him due to Ranni. The fact that Seluvis never moves again AFTER Pidia dies is proof he was controlling him, the game gives 0 concrete leads as to why Seluvis stops moving for the rest of your run other than the confirmed puppet master stops living. Do you know what's even more proof though? Seluvis continues selling puppets after he "dies", because he's not a corpse, he's a puppet vending machine that Pidia sometimes spoke through. He continues working as a vending machine as a default function because he's a puppet, if he was a human that died he wouldn't be able to do that.

    • Mathieux Laflamme
      Mathieux Laflamme Ай бұрын +2

      @Grimnir G (edit: did you really remove your comment or block me? lol.)
      insulting people during an argument or debats is a clear sign that you know you cant argue against the other side. Maybe try to analyze what actually happens during the game next time before coming to a conclusion.
      Seluvis is dead before pidia and somehow that means pidia was controlling him? The logical interpretation is that Seluvis died and his active puppets in Caria Manor then attacked Pidia.
      A crippled albinauric was able to turn a Carian teacher and master of puppet magic into his puppet or was able to fool Gideon and Ranni for at least centuries? Yeah i doubt that one. Seluvis' mask places him as someone that already was in his position pre shattering. (You see what reading subtext actually means yet? Bet you didnt see that one since you most likely never looked into this theory by yourself instead of parroting what lore youtubers said.)
      Gideon and Ranni are arguably the biggest brains in the Lands Between and both are pretty familiar with puppet magic so them not realizing that pidia is the puppeteer for centuries is pretty unlikely.
      Try again next time but this time at least try to argue something instead of making you look like one of those fortnite kids you seem to hate so much. Imagine getting triggered by kids playing a kids game lol. Thats pretty pathetic.

    • Grimnir G
      Grimnir G Ай бұрын

      @Mathieux Laflamme accept that you're too mentally underdeveloped for things like subtext and just move on to Call of Battle: Modern Black or whatever the Fortnite kids are playing these days

  • Cheeky Casual
    Cheeky Casual Ай бұрын +659

    With all the cut dialogue Miquella has, I'm REALLY hoping we get a DLC centered around him. He's by far the one I want to know about the most

    • FeverRub
      FeverRub 18 күн бұрын

      @Bruce Wayne Godwyn is a he! If you wanted to correct me.

    • Wise Ferret
      Wise Ferret 18 күн бұрын

      @Bruce Wayne yeah if you throw a glowstone up there and use the little telescope you can see it's just a stump.

    • Bruce Wayne
      Bruce Wayne 18 күн бұрын +1

      @Wise Ferret no way! I gotta go check that out man!

    • Bruce Wayne
      Bruce Wayne 19 күн бұрын

      @brian sharkey I just want more gameplay

    • Bruce Wayne
      Bruce Wayne 19 күн бұрын

      @brian sharkey I just want more gameplay

  • Winner Boy
    Winner Boy 2 ай бұрын +293

    I think they wanted the fingers to be dead/dying in an ostensible sense. If they were moving so much, there'd be no doubt. While they occasionally twitch and move in Elden Ring, it's a very subtle and slow movement. Gives off the impression they're on the way out, which is I think the intention.

    • jgkitarel
      jgkitarel Ай бұрын +2

      @YT DariuS4117 There is also the possibility that it was cut because it would potentially give spoilers on the whole thing, or perhaps to avoid making players think that there is only one correct path to the end. With the Souls games, Bloodborne, and now Elden Ring, the story is YOURS. It's your journey, and how it ends is up to you. What its story is, is up to you. The game is freer with information that previous titles, but there is still a lot that you have to pick up from context and simply looking at everything to draw your own conclusions.

    • YT DariuS4117
      YT DariuS4117 Ай бұрын +4

      @Becks the Impatient Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. In this case, I guess it just didn't make sense to leave those erratic movements in the game, unless they made massive changes to their plans; so it's obviously just easier and better to cut it. Still, we fans obsess over even cut content, so it's great to know that it used to be a part of the game, because now it just opens up even more possibilities for headcanon and other fun stuff :)

    • Becks the Impatient
      Becks the Impatient 2 ай бұрын +32

      @Mordalon Same with Goldmask in that regard - While the model doesn't actually move, Corrin DOES sense movement in him and can interpret it. Subtle movement that can only be understood by someone initiated in a sacred art seems to be a storytelling tool in this case.

    • Mordalon
      Mordalon 2 ай бұрын +57

      I always took their slow movements as indicating how subtle and long-term their influence is, why there needs to be special finger readers to interpret such subtle movements. Also makes them feel more like Trees, with their actions being so slow to almost being imperceptible.

  • Ahmed Ayub Khan
    Ahmed Ayub Khan Ай бұрын +172

    it gives me chills how deep and well crafted, albeit subtle, the lore is; it almost makes it hard to believe this was a thought up world. I mean all media that I have interacted with, all such hints and factoids are usually very obvious, or meant to be discovered / taken note of. Here they're hidden, as they may actually be in such a fantastical world.

    • Ruthwik Rao
      Ruthwik Rao 5 күн бұрын

      @Samael this is why I have no fucking clue when people say ER doesn't have rich lore compared to their other games. Not to mention this game is accomplishing all this in one game without any DLC yet, while every other game of theirs minus Sekiro has either gotten multiple entries or extensive DLCs to flesh their universes out.

    • Samael
      Samael Ай бұрын +4

      I feel like it’s a perfect mixture between vague and meticulously planned .. like, a lot of stuff is left open ended or vague in order for players to draw the conclusions, but all the details are there if you look hard enough

    • Jacob Moench
      Jacob Moench Ай бұрын +2

      @::::::::::: totally agree! I mean, the fact that they intentionally left out any stakes of marika from Raya Lucaria is such a masterful detail I never even noticed until this video. This stuff is beautiful and Elden Ring is truly a work of art

    • :::::::::::
      ::::::::::: Ай бұрын +7

      Fr, cuz usually more obscure lore details in a world have a bit of speculation involved, yknow? And while some elden ring stuff might involve this, there's also lots here that is pretty likely if not confirmed, just very well hidden

  • Dingo 154
    Dingo 154 Ай бұрын +265

    For secret 16 it is important to remember that Godfrey was a character created by GRRM. This doesn’t rule out the eternal champion inspiration, but I think GRRM’s involvement is largely ignored by the Elden Ring community and his inspirations and ideas are very important for the overall themes of the world.

    • Biliary Sun
      Biliary Sun Сағат бұрын

      I think GRRM influence is visible in all the nods to the Eternal Champion, other Moorcocks books, and old pulp fantasy in general since he is a great fan and friend of the author. The relationship between Malekith and the Black Blade containing the ruin of death reminds me of the relationship between Stormbringer and Elric.
      the main character themselves, or the Tarnished altogether, seems to be inspired by the Eternal Champion protagonist (you even awake in a tomb of a great hero, just like the protagonist of the book).
      Also (spoiler) one of the book plot points is the protagonist discovering that the humans who summoned him in their world to bring back peace by killing this race called Eldren weren't the original native race of that planet and in reality, they were technically the invading force, which in my opinion is similar to how the Elden Ring arrived with a meteor and how the true native creatures of the Lands Between are despised.
      Godfrey, however, seems more inspired by Conan the Barbarian (barbarian turned great king who hasn't forgotten his true self) which the game has some other nods to, like Zamor whose name comes from Zamora, the city of thieves and assassins where Conan lived as a thief in his early years.

    • Blaine
      Blaine 10 күн бұрын +1

      I actually think this reinforces the idea of the eternal champion being inspiration because GRRM is a fan of Moorcock. One of the characters in A Song of Ice and Fire, Bloodraven, was stated to be inspired directly from a Moorcock character named Elric of Meliniboné. In a way it all ties together lol

    • Aryan Kumar
      Aryan Kumar Ай бұрын +5

      @Dan Riedi He directly wrote the lore

    • Nahuel
      Nahuel Ай бұрын +7

      @theartgoose I'm fairly certain he had a major hand in pretty much all of the backstory.
      At least all of it concerning the gods and demigods and the Shattering.
      Where it gets muddy for me its when it comes to the Tarnished.

    • Dan Riedi
      Dan Riedi Ай бұрын +1

      Like you said it doesn't rule out the inspiration, but if anything it actually supports that idea even more. Most if not all renown writers of the last couple centuries take inspiration from other works. whether it is because the idea worked, or because they want to pay homage to an inspiration, or they just outright like the idea and just want to use it.

  • aqua
    aqua 2 ай бұрын +2205

    It would be interesting if the Fingers slamming together was because they are trying to reach out to the Greater Will. But are frustrated because the Greater Will has abandoned the Lands Between and refuses to answer. Something about the slamming just seems melancholic or frustrating rather than celebratory.

    • Adrian
      Adrian 10 күн бұрын

      @kh872 I would advice against arguing with this guy, he's like Steve from Accounting, only difference is he complains about the lore in FromSoftware's games instead of the gameplay lol

    • kh872
      kh872 12 күн бұрын +1

      @Hugh Jass First From Software game?

    • Hugh Jass
      Hugh Jass Ай бұрын

      @Nicefail87 It's not abysmal, it's simply just nowhere near as good as people claimed, simply because they were fanboys of the franchise.

    • Hugh Jass
      Hugh Jass Ай бұрын

      @Zeikers It's the fact that people pretend the game is something it didn't even try to do.

    • Hugh Jass
      Hugh Jass Ай бұрын

      @Dante ES How do you miss the point THAT hard

  • InShortSight :3
    InShortSight :3 Ай бұрын +176

    The stakes of Marika exist so that the tarnished can keep on fighting. Radagon and Marika did not want you to fight renalla. They left no stake of Marika near her, and even left a wolf of radagon to guard that place. Surprised at how the stakes of Marika were talked about in this vid but that angle wasn't considered or explored. There are a few other interesting placements of radagons wolves and absences of stakes of Marika iirc, but none jump to mind as I write this.

    • Mathieux Laflamme
      Mathieux Laflamme 23 күн бұрын +2

      @Cyan C those are just called Red Wolves. The one in Raya Lucaria is specifically Radagon's hence the name.

    • Cyan C
      Cyan C 23 күн бұрын +4

      @Mathieux Laflamme but there are radagon wolves in some (or maybe one?) dungeons

    • Mathieux Laflamme
      Mathieux Laflamme Ай бұрын +27

      Or the simpler explanation is that there is no stakes of Marika in any Legacy Dungeons.

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  • FlubbedPig
    FlubbedPig 2 ай бұрын +67

    In regards to design similarities between Carians and Nox, the sigil that appears when casting Carian sorceries is VERY similar to the one for Sellia. They ARE distinct, but they're also exceptionally close.

  • lwpack 1
    lwpack 1 Ай бұрын +33

    The giant Nox, if related to the giant Albinauric, could draw a connection to ants, being a giant queen that births new members of the species that has all female workers and warriors.

  • Sheikh Husein
    Sheikh Husein Ай бұрын +42

    Love this ! Especially Seluvis being a puppet. It’s also probably why Ranni only says, ‘Tell Blaidd and Iji, I love them’ No mention of Seluvis. She probably knew ?

    • kh872
      kh872 12 күн бұрын +1

      @gooblop I feel as if Seluvis is acting of his own free will, albeit I do believe he's been a puppet the whole time. I imagine Pidia and Seluvis had a deal worked out or worked together in some capacity. Perhaps similarly to how you helped Sellen inhabit a puppet body, Pidia helped Seluvis inhabit one too ala primordial glintstone (Seluvis was a powerful mage too according to Sellen.) It seems he's acting on his own personal desires to obtain Nepheli as a puppet (considering he has history with Gideon) so I don't think he's being expressly controlled by Pidia. Ranni is seemingly aware of Seluvis' intentions, so it's possible that when she no longer has any use for him she just destroys the primordial glintstone, thus leaving a lifeless puppet. Maybe she even forced him to use the puppets to kill Pidia too, or she just took control of the puppets, though she never mentions anything about the existence of Pidia so that's a hazy theory at best.

    • gooblop
      gooblop 15 күн бұрын +2

      @Noah Haller There's an equally massive flaw in your theory though. You can't claim other people must be wrong because they need a cop out to explain why the puppets murder Pidia and then ignore that your own theory requires the same cop out. There is no reason why Ranni couldn't just snap her finger to make the puppets murder Pidia, or Gideon could have instead have reverse engineered the potion to cancel its effects out. Neither of those are less logical than those 2 turning Seluvis into a puppet, in fact they're more logical because in the rest of the game we never see either of those characters attempt to use Seluvis as a puppet, something that they'd probably be doing if they went into the trouble of making him one.
      The obvious answer to why Seluvis "discretely passes" at all is that he's a puppet all along. There's no sign or reason for him to die, the only event at the same time is Pidia being busy with some of his puppets... and if Pidia was busy, it would mean he wouldn't have time to control Seluvis. You have cause and effect reversed, Seluvis doesn't die before Pidia gets confronted by puppets, the puppets start to confront Pidia so he stops controlling Seluvis, and by time the player finds Pidia this confrontation turns deadly, so Seluvis as a masterless puppet never moves again. Your theory relies on the contrivance that Pidia has no control over puppets after Seluvis dies even though Pidia clearly controls some in Caria Manor, and it fails to explain why Ranni or Gideon would bother turning Seluvis into a puppet instead of something much easier like killing him if they never planned on using the puppet. After all, if they're aware a puppet can turn on their master like with Pidia, why risk keeping Seluvis as a puppet without any of the upside of having him as one?

    • Mathieux Laflamme
      Mathieux Laflamme 22 күн бұрын +1

      @Noah Haller yeah. It completely baffles me how people can miss the most obvious and direct clues that disprove that theory. People also really believe a crippled albinauric would be able to fool 3 of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people of the Lands Between? Ranni, Gideon and Seluvis would have to have been fooled from even before the Shattering and somehow Ranni and Gideon never realized that Seluvis was a puppet himself. There's already enough good mysteries in the lore to focus on, we dont need to invent mysteries where there is none.

    • Noah Haller
      Noah Haller 22 күн бұрын +3

      @Mathieux Laflamme Yeah Seluvis is the puppet master, Pidia is the puppet caretaker. Ranni or Gideon (If you give him the potion) turns Seluvis into a puppet. Seluvis becomes a puppet, puppets break free, kill pidia the caretaker who hated them. Pidia's final dialog is just him begging for his life, saying anything that might save him. This explains everything, including why Pidia has Seluvis' puppets, meanwhile the mainstream theory has a massive gap in it. How would the puppets have broken free to murder Pidia, if he was the puppet master, this could be explained by 'magic weakening' or any cop out, but Seluvis discretely passes before Pidia, so it seems ridiculous to assume the cause for the puppets breaking free is anything but Seluvis becoming a puppet himself. To me this is a clear example of how people can use the right evidence and story telling to come to completely wrong conclusions.

    • Mathieux Laflamme
      Mathieux Laflamme Ай бұрын +19

      No. She just doesnt like him since he is a dolly-bothering creep. She just uses his knowledge of puppet magic until it is no longer necessary. He also tries to give her a potion that would possibly turn her into his puppet.
      Regarding him being a puppet, i dont believe it at all. Just the timing of his and Pidia's death goes against the theory. Seluvis is already in the puppet pose (wich imo is because Ranni gave him one of his own potion as revenge) while Pidia is still alive until you go see him and hear him getting killed. For me this indicates that the active puppets went berserk after Seluvis was "killed".

  • Temporary Flight
    Temporary Flight Ай бұрын +23

    I think there’s some additional meaning with the Cuckoo Knights and Radagon leaving an egg. Cuckoo eggs are hidden in other nests and cause the surrogate mother to neglect her own children to care for the imposter egg. Maybe part of Radagon/Marika’s larger plan to cause internal conflict between Caria and Raya Lucaria and weaken Liurnia as the golden order was unable to defeat them united?

    • niedude
      niedude 9 сағат бұрын

      Not sure about the reasoning for this, as Marika and Radagon are opposed to each other AND the Cuckoo knights were mercenaries specifically hired to fight against Renalla, but the fact that the Cuckoo is used as a symbol and Renalla is left with an egg that has the rune of rebirth is 100% something we should take seriously.
      A lot of people theorize that Radagon left Renalla with the amber egg with the rune of rebirth inside so he could be reborn as a new person, separate from Marika. This would also explain why he abandoned her, but left one of his red wolves with her as well as an all powerful great rune. I'm not fully convinced of this one, and as any Elden Ring theory there is always something in the game that goes against this interpretation, but I like it enough that I felt I should share it.

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  • jay travers
    jay travers Ай бұрын +7

    4:43 On top of this,
    Lore wise I’m pretty sure that the lands between is starting to suffer from a similar fate as the dark souls worlds did. Its just a much much more earlier stage we’re witnessing.
    After the rune of death was stolen - death became allot more difficult to achieve besides a few means. With that issue at play I’m sure it just became another instance akin to undead (minus the hollowing). Allot have clearly still aged and become weak/malformed so I guess its not too dissimilar to the undead curse in ways.
    Prisons, dungeons and jails would be filled very quickly in times of such disarray and war. Issue is, you're not gonna be able to free up any cells any time soon neither since death isn't so readily available. Hence we see punishments like this. Perhaps they're beginning to get allot more "creative" with the less fortunate much like dark souls.

  • MinniMaster
    MinniMaster Ай бұрын +22

    I really hope the arenas have some PvE content. Something like being able to set up your own fights and picking different combinations of enemies to fight. Sometimes you just wanna challenge yourself and go up against four Crucible Knights.

    • Jason Griffin
      Jason Griffin 19 күн бұрын

      That would've been really cool, it could've been a way for non PvP players to get something out of the Coliseum update. I only play offline so the Coliseums are useless to me.

  • PhilBurt
    PhilBurt Ай бұрын +13

    I'm about 90% sure that miquella will be in the big dlc for elden ring. All content regarding miquella was cut save for items and his being kidnapped by mohg from the halig tree. With the ominous ending with the egg, I'm sure we'll see more. It'd be an extremely unsatisfying if nothing comes of it, but perhaps he simply lies dead on the throne/altar the lord of blood left him.

  • Lambmage 1
    Lambmage 1 Ай бұрын +25

    This is a minor thing I noticed around the Agheel Lake ruins. If you sit by and wait near the nobles who reside there, you could hear them say stuff about Agheel. Saying things about the flame of Agheel, almost like their praising the dragon’s ruinous strength.
    And if u consider how the Noble spirit Ashes would surrender if they see Agheel, maybe this implies a relation between nobles and dragons. How Nobles are aware of their power being incomparable to that of a dragon like Agheel, and would rather not fight but instead surrender to them. It’s a small thing really, but it does make the world feel more alive.

    • niedude
      niedude 9 сағат бұрын

      Vaati has already made a video about this, actually. Check out one of his Lore of the Bosses video, I think its his second one, that talks about Ghostflame. Long story short before the time of the Erdtree corpses were burned with Ghostflame so their spirits were released and left to die a true death and leave the lands between. Vaati theorizes that these nobles want Agheel to burn them so they may die a true death, similar to how ancient people used ghostflame to send the dead to the afterlife

    • Connor Jones
      Connor Jones 14 күн бұрын +1

      That's neat

    • Fun Guy
      Fun Guy 21 күн бұрын

      I think nobles wants to be burned in a dragon flame

  • DezzyDayy
    DezzyDayy Ай бұрын +40

    Love the part about Pidia and Seluvis, it really makes Seluvis and his standing with Ranni et al. make so much more sense

    • Mathieux Laflamme
      Mathieux Laflamme Ай бұрын +2

      How so? Seluvis has been a magic teacher for the Carians since before the shattering. What does Pidia controlling him brings that makes it make more sense?

  • Dylan Shipe
    Dylan Shipe Ай бұрын +28

    Slowly from watching all these lore videos I’m coming to the conclusion of several analogous themes, like The forces of night fighting the forces of day, silver and gold and the age of each, told as the passing of seasons, the conflicts over the powers of life and death, and their influence. I love these series so much.

  • BrassPetals3Voices
    BrassPetals3Voices Ай бұрын +4

    A thought I had on why the Albinaurics are stunted in the way that they are is that the sacred dew could have come not from the Erdtree but the Haligtree, which had been nurtured and grown with Miquella’s blood - and with Miquella being cursed with stunted growth, so then would any beings created using the sap of that tree, with each iteration becoming more stunted perhaps stretching to second gen who by then had lost the ability to communicate (verbally anyway). The arcane nature of it though would have been filtered through - leaving the second gens primarily arcane with the ‘human’ traits having been sloughed off. Not necessarily a failure but probably not what was in mind when coming up with Haligtree replacing Erdtree.

  • DOOMZILLA
    DOOMZILLA 2 ай бұрын +24

    Yo Vaati! Big fan of your content, especially with Bloodborne! It's amazing to see even more secrets in elden ring, like wow! Still playing the game and still discovering more secrets, i love it! Hope to see more content for elden ring if there's anything from the game awards!

  • Danny Fletcher
    Danny Fletcher Ай бұрын +11

    Seeing some of the fights in these videos done in a very cinematic way, really encaptures how if visualize or imagine in my head recalling the battles. Well done!

  • Michael Duffy
    Michael Duffy Ай бұрын +6

    C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy is a great listen on audiobook. Geoffrey Howard does a great read, and this trilogy is, in my opinion, some of Lewis' best work. The three books are:
    Out of the Silent Planet
    Perelandra
    That Hideous Strength
    Hope you enjoy!

  • for education
    for education Ай бұрын +5

    number 14 is just mind-blowing, how they implement the level design with the lore.

  • lilwizkidx18
    lilwizkidx18 Ай бұрын +5

    For Loretta, it could be that she taught the Albanaurics how to fight. So it’s not her being similar to them, it’s then being similar to the one who taught them how to fight

  • Saif eddine Chahin
    Saif eddine Chahin Ай бұрын +5

    17:13 I always talked about this you can even see the tarnished use this item against a dragon in one of the trailers of the game

  • Shun - Li
    Shun - Li 2 ай бұрын +825

    I'd like to believe Loretta is a Albanauric, but 1 visual fact that keeps getting in the way is the fact that she bleeds red when you hit her vs Albanaurics who bleed silver when they take physical damage.

    • Dirty Mashups Done Dirt Cheap
      Dirty Mashups Done Dirt Cheap 13 күн бұрын

      She drank a bunch of red dye ahead of time

    • Tuấn Anh Hồ
      Tuấn Anh Hồ Ай бұрын

      @TBot Alpha if you want to believe that, suit yourself. Soulsborne lore is all about speculation after all. I just prefer using concrete evidence to draw conclusion.

    • TBot Alpha
      TBot Alpha Ай бұрын

      @Tuấn Anh Hồ Loretta and her horse already work together with a degree of cooperation and synergy that is impossible in real life. After that, the idea that she could be that in control of her horse without any legs hardly seems far-fetched.

    • Michael Potter
      Michael Potter Ай бұрын

      @Patrick G what if i jump attack and its red is loretta a horse

    • MaybeMableMaples
      MaybeMableMaples Ай бұрын

      @Tuấn Anh Hồ magic exists bro. And like the lady Albanarics ride wolves and they can't walk so like....I'm gonna be that person and say not to be disrespectful about what disabled people can't and can do. Especially because disabilities come up quite a lot in From games and Melaina is right there to tell you to git gud. She's blind and missing half her body. But irl people with disabilities are capable of great things and we shouldn't dismiss them because of it.

  • James Brady
    James Brady 2 ай бұрын +99

    Something else noteworthy about the heroes graves is that our character spawns from one. This reminded me of one of the earliest Elden ring leaks, where it was said that the player could choose where to spawn. Perhaps at one point in development this was true, and the player could choose which heroes grave to spawn at. If this is true it obviously would have been cut early in the development process as it would have thrown away any balance the game had. Just something interesting to think about.

    • Oakley Raverty
      Oakley Raverty Ай бұрын +17

      Imagine if your spawn rescaled the rest of the areas, meaning if you spawned in the mountain tops Godrick would be one of the hardest bosses lmao

  • beefboof
    beefboof Ай бұрын +3

    Fun fact: as I was fighting Lorreta in the haligtree, I noticed most of her attacks were very similar to Gyobu's (I'm sorry if I misspelled it) specifically the jumping slam attack, although she does have a few unique ones, specifically the ones where she summons the swords

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  • Yojan Leon
    Yojan Leon Ай бұрын +3

    "Marika's Mischief", Radagon cursed with the red hair of the giants, the ability to change genders, the "shadows" that take the form of beasts. Is Marika/Radagon a reference to Loki?

  • Artorias The abyss wolf
    Artorias The abyss wolf Ай бұрын +3

    As always your videos are a masterpiece, from secrets to lore. I am quite interested in the mystery revolving Marika's first-born, like why was Godwin (or godwyn) the gold chosen to be slain, why do we find his corpse in the area were the ancestral erdtree is ? We only hear tales about him much like Gwyn's first born, who also befriended the dragons.

    • Zaid Al-Haig
      Zaid Al-Haig Ай бұрын +2

      And that's the beauty of FromSoft games. It's just never fail to make anyone thirsting for the lore.

  • Ragehunter Salty
    Ragehunter Salty 2 ай бұрын +58

    I have gotten my partner into Elden ring and I'm using your videos to help teach her the story!

    • Zaid Al-Haig
      Zaid Al-Haig Ай бұрын

      I'm doing the same with my friend

    • brent bent
      brent bent 2 ай бұрын +1

      A thousand years from now there's going to be a Church of the Elden Ring.

    • The Violet Bunny
      The Violet Bunny 2 ай бұрын +4

      Nice must be fun my wife only likes Arcade style games or racing games

    • SynchroShokan
      SynchroShokan 2 ай бұрын +6

      When is it my turn? 😔

  • Nathan Kincaid
    Nathan Kincaid Ай бұрын +5

    Iirc, Marika’s forces had a very hard time in defeating the Carian Knights, which makes it a genius move on Marika’s part to simply turn herself into Radagon and make Rennala fall in love with her. She neutralized the threat of Raya Lucaria, begat more demigods, and left her so broken that her whole kingdom fell apart. All of that just clicked with me watching the “Marika the Trickster” segment.

    • Razhork
      Razhork Ай бұрын

      Radagon led both wars against Raya Lucaria though.

  • Pirate Skeleton
    Pirate Skeleton 2 ай бұрын +44

    I haven’t seen anyone acknowledge that the Radagon’s Cross Hatch rune also makes up the back of the Raia Lucaria gate seals.

    • MaybeMableMaples
      MaybeMableMaples Ай бұрын +2

      Actually a KZclipr named Quelagg does extremely deep dives about the mythology and stuff in ER and she talks about how the Hatch Rune comes up in quite a lot of stuff. I highly recommend her videos.

  • Joshua Robertson
    Joshua Robertson 2 ай бұрын +7

    Did anyone else notice that the sunflowers also all face the direction of the Erdtree?

  • Gustavo Meza
    Gustavo Meza Ай бұрын

    wow... just wow. I love this, finding more lore and secrets after months from the games released just amazing. I knew this was a huge game, hoping to come back when a DLC is announced. NICE!

  • platypuspracticus
    platypuspracticus 2 ай бұрын

    13:02 one thing against this theory is that Loretta bleeds red instead of white. I think she might just want to be a champion of the downtrodden and took the plight of the Albinaurics, esp the women Albinaurics, personally. That's likely why she abandoned Ranni for Miquella since Miquella also holds his Haligtree to be a safe haven for those that are outcasts from the Erdtree.

  • Eliwood the goot hoonter
    Eliwood the goot hoonter 2 ай бұрын

    A small note about cuckoo’s. It’s interesting that they’re applied where they are given what they do in real life, common cuckoos are brood parasites, what this means with they will sabotage other species nests and replace on of the hosts eggs with their own, in the hopes that the host brood raises their child. This could have some interesting implications for elden ring.

  • YouTubeVoice
    YouTubeVoice Ай бұрын +4

    - The mimic veil's veil looks like it was made from decomposing leaves (as if caterpillars ate away the substance between the veins).
    - Pidia seems to have red blood in his dying sequence, so not an albinauric or a mistake? Loretta also bleeds red.

  • Skye Robertson
    Skye Robertson 2 ай бұрын

    Finally finished my first run of the game since the game's release, after much struggle. Now it's time to spoil myself with all the Vaati lore and secrets

  • Marika's Daughter
    Marika's Daughter 2 ай бұрын +6

    The only thing about Loretta being an albinauric that I find sort of implausible is that to ride a horse you need quite a bit of leg strength to hold yourself up. Most of riding strength is through the legs. That doesn't mean people without working legs can't ride horses but they typically need a special saddle and sometimes are tied to the horse. Loretta doesn't seem to have an aids to riding leading me into believing her legs work. I personally think Loretta is like Miquella, she feels sorry for them and wants to be their protector since no one really cares about them.

    • Anh Đức Phạm
      Anh Đức Phạm 2 ай бұрын

      Yeah, fully agree, then She might have a special link to Albinauric. When you love something, most likely it happened in your childhood throughout to your adulthood, her favor of magic bow is a link to it. But anyway, this game all about discovery and this theory doesnt have evidence.

    • AscendantStoic
      AscendantStoic 2 ай бұрын

      She also bleeds red blood like someone here pointed out.

  • gifted gambler
    gifted gambler Ай бұрын +1

    I think Morgot might have a mimic veil, because multiple times you can see Morgot go from a noble to himself

  • shinracloud236
    shinracloud236 2 ай бұрын +43

    After God of War I think the way Marika is essentially hanging from the erdtrees roots with a spear in her side indicates similar intentions to Odin. Maybe she tried to find information on her destiny or how to end the erdtree.

    • Sir Cumference
      Sir Cumference 2 ай бұрын +7

      That would make sense, since the game seems to draw some inspirations from Norse Mythology

  • Hector Valdivia
    Hector Valdivia 2 ай бұрын +8

    I laughed a little bit when you said "I have a spreadsheet that... (Explains all)" Almost sounded like a Meme or a 90s comedy
    "what about this on Elden Ring? - I HAVE A SPREADSHEET FOR THAT!!!"

    • The Violet Bunny
      The Violet Bunny 2 ай бұрын +1

      I have a note book I keep for all the open world and rpgs I play where I list all the locations and items I’ve gotten so I known where things are and what I’ve already done. I was thinking of printing a map and marking it as well

  • Adam L
    Adam L Ай бұрын +1

    The Eternal Champion is a really great book. It's part of a trilogy of books and from what I've heard people consider it one of the first modern multiversal stories. Imo, the main character of the Eternal Champion is much more similar to who the player character is than Godfrey.

  • Kevin Bazarek
    Kevin Bazarek 2 ай бұрын +2

    thank you vaati. you are legitimately my favorite content creator and I wish you nothing but the best. great work

  • Envoy of Rot
    Envoy of Rot 2 ай бұрын +1

    Regarding Loretta:
    If you fight her and do jump attacks with bleed weapons you can clearly see she bleeds red blood!

  • The5lacker
    The5lacker 2 ай бұрын +301

    Important to note about the lack of Stakes of Marika in Raya Lucaria: There aren't any Stakes of Marika in *any* of the Legacy Dungeons. Not Stormveil, not Faram Azula, not even Lyndell. They are exclusive to the overworld and minor dungeons, presumably because the Legacy Dungeons have, you know, lots of Graces to revive at.

    • Arabyss Farron
      Arabyss Farron Ай бұрын

      Does Wailing Plain of Radahn's area count as Legacy Dungeon?
      Have a shardbearer

    • Scott Becker
      Scott Becker 2 ай бұрын

      @M3TAN0IA it's rare to die there, but as an int build early in my first playthrough, I definitely struggled a bit. The long run back is one of the only ones in the game, and it has nothing between you and the boss except for a rock. That rock can also be gotten rid of, so the long run is basically just a waste of time.

    • M3TAN0IA
      M3TAN0IA 2 ай бұрын

      @Tube Torpedo I didn't know that. Do they not respawn? It really is easy to avoid so I never considered that option.

    • Tube Torpedo
      Tube Torpedo 2 ай бұрын +1

      @M3TAN0IA If you kill the folk at the upper room where ball comes from you do not even need to avoid the ball. Not that it's hard to avoid e.g. when keeping on the left.

    • M3TAN0IA
      M3TAN0IA 2 ай бұрын

      @Scott Becker if you die threre, which should be rare indeed at this point... just leap over to the short cut route and avoid the falling ball.

  • Scyle Ornitier
    Scyle Ornitier Ай бұрын

    Kay so one thing I'm finding interesting here. The Albinaurics are praying to the stars to punish them. You know who came from the stars to punish? Astel. Or maybe Astel didn't come from the stars. Maybe it, or rather they, are created. That's why we deal with different forms of Astel. Keep in mind there's a Falling Star Beast in the cave near Sellia which is reportedly super tied with the Eternal Cities. The only thing that confuses me about that are the Falling Star Beasts on Mt. Gelmir and near Leyndell. Hmm....

  • Nathan C.
    Nathan C. Ай бұрын +1

    0:50 in my view, the reason why the fingers, or Goldmask don't move and yet the finger readers or Corhyn are seemingly able to decipher their meaning is either supposed to make us question the reality of belief in the Golden Order, the Two Fingers and make us think they're all just grasping at straws
    or it's meant to make the player realise we may not be able to see what they see, just like some Tarnished can't see the Guidance of Grace but we can, maybe Enya and Corhyn can sense things we cannot.

  • mrsandmanxj9
    mrsandmanxj9 2 ай бұрын +47

    It just amazes me how good and replayable elden ring still is a year later.

  • bilishu aliss
    bilishu aliss Ай бұрын

    In my first playthrough I was incredibly confused when I heard pidea's deathalogue on my way to seluvis. Im pretty sure it actually came from him

  • wnnalis cioov
    wnnalis cioov Ай бұрын

    In my first playthrough I was incredibly confused when I heard pidea's deathalogue on my way to seluvis. Im pretty sure it actually came from him

  • darkmatter
    darkmatter Ай бұрын

    I hope that we get an option to fight bosses in these arenas. Going through the whole game in ng+ for another crack at the godskin duo with a different setup is so tedious.

  • Joseph Ralloma
    Joseph Ralloma Ай бұрын +1

    18:34 if you manage to kill the sorcerers summoning the boulder, there's a far easier runback you can use. Jump from the right side to the bridge after exiting the debate parlor. Just thought I'd point that out!

  • soulsour
    soulsour Ай бұрын

    The only thing I missed in the entire game was the invisible walk ways with the midgets before the snow field area.

  • HurraxZ
    HurraxZ 2 ай бұрын +10

    18:20 a tip for runback to Renala's bossfight, it is faster, as well as safer, to run across the bridge with the bi ball, since the ball is the only enemy you need to dodge (should you have disposed of the NPC, but the other way has him there as well). No need to worry about all those spells, or the long way.

    • Mauz
      Mauz Ай бұрын

      @HurraxZ fair enough

    • HurraxZ
      HurraxZ Ай бұрын

      @Mauz The shortcut is 7 seconds faster, but you risk getting hit. I think 7 seconds longer but not having to be annoyed when you get hit by a stray random shard, is much more worth it imo.

    • Mauz
      Mauz Ай бұрын

      @HurraxZ oh no i meant a straight line from the grace to the lift. It goes through the shortcut with the mages. You have to take a right to get on the bowling ball path, and then take a left.
      Do you truly consider taking a right, then a left to be shorter than a somewhat straight line?

    • HurraxZ
      HurraxZ Ай бұрын

      @Mauz it still is a safer path, since you can just negate even the risk of getting hit. Also running straight forward gets you to the bridge.

    • Mauz
      Mauz Ай бұрын

      It's extremely easy to dodge those mages, even the one by the stairs. And it's more of a straight line from the grace, no need to run a circular path.

  • Colin Harrison
    Colin Harrison Ай бұрын +1

    Vaati, your voice and calmness helps me when I have panic attacks in the wee hours of the morning. Thank you. Keep doing what you love man.

  • Obbaron
    Obbaron 2 ай бұрын

    Interesting as the pose of the hero statues at 19:12 we see the small and withered being held out but the larger one, just like how Godfrey cradles morgot and faces the Erdtree, I suppose Morgott was deemed a hero by the Erdtree and been made to retun there after all?

  • Futuristicbus 61
    Futuristicbus 61 Ай бұрын

    I thought the introduction of the colosseums would be awesome. Idk but I’ve been getting into PvP a bit more recently because the big fights between all the players get really cool

  • ashen comet mom
    ashen comet mom 2 ай бұрын +171

    i like to imagine that rennala was aware of radagon and marika's duality, and the reason why she still loves radagon and loathes marika is that he was essentially forced to leave her by his alter ego and rennala knows this

    • Dicc Chocolate
      Dicc Chocolate Ай бұрын +1

      @MaybeMableMaples where is this said in thr game?

    • MaybeMableMaples
      MaybeMableMaples Ай бұрын

      @Dicc Chocolate you also forget there was a time where she just up and bounced put of nowhere. Like I remember hearing about it too. And like nobody knew what she was doing....so?

    • 31Moth13
      31Moth13 Ай бұрын +4

      The description of the Mask of Confidence heavily implies that Rennala was aware of the truth of Radagon, since the Preceptors were forced to wear masks with covered mouths as a reminder to keep quiet about Rennala and Radagon's private matters.

    • Dicc Chocolate
      Dicc Chocolate Ай бұрын +2

      @ASpace Ostrich the silver tears definitely have somthing to do with it. If the rumours about some form of time travel in the dlc end up being right we might get a clearer picture of how that all went down.

    • Dicc Chocolate
      Dicc Chocolate Ай бұрын +5

      @Becks the Impatient that's a very good point. Almost like the outer gods are punishing her for trying to cheat the system by cursing her children. Or maybe marika cheating the system makes it easier for outer gods other than the greater will to enter the lands between.

  • Bungarino
    Bungarino Ай бұрын +1

    Regarding the last secret: The Tarnished Archaeologist showed how the character of Godfrey could have been inspired by real life King Arthur's legend - a lot fascinating parallels, altho that book you mentioned here sounds interesting as well

  • dylan6091
    dylan6091 Ай бұрын +1

    @VaatiVidya you say at 18:26 that Renalla thinks Radagon left her for Marika, but that we know better. Is there any evidence to suggest that Radagon was not at some point a separate entity? I think it would make sense for Radagon to abandon Renalla if he was presented with an opportunity to marry/become a god himself. It also makes sense that the Greater Will may have wanted to temper Marika's independent spirit by binding her to another entity that it could more easily control...

  • Conor Little
    Conor Little 2 ай бұрын

    Cuckoos are brood parasites, meaning they lay their eggs in the nests of other birds. Does this somehow symbolize Rennala's relationship with the Carians?

  • LeviathanLP
    LeviathanLP 2 ай бұрын

    Per Loretta being an Albinauric, as others have pointed out, she bleeds red. Allies of a marginalized group are often rumored to belong to that group by both enemies and friends of that group. Bea Arthur, for instance.

  • Bazah
    Bazah Ай бұрын

    Bro Melina just keep getting more interesting the maiden of the flower crucible spell that she can do give her a connection to the crucible in top of ALL the other connections she already has

  • Shane
    Shane Ай бұрын

    The Two Fingers Animation would have really tied things together, since the finger readers would parallel the behavior of Corhyx with Goldmask, writing down every movement of his finger.

  • Eon Nevil
    Eon Nevil Ай бұрын +1

    How come you never made a Mortal Shell lore video? Such a beautiful and lore heavy game, it deserves recognition i think...

  • Unfortunate Inc.
    Unfortunate Inc. 2 ай бұрын +1

    Loretta bleeding red when you fight her at haligtree definetly rules out her being an albinauric, at least of any kind we currently know of unless shes a mimic tear type thing.

    • Fun Guy
      Fun Guy 21 күн бұрын

      Horse blood

  • Ramix The Red
    Ramix The Red 2 ай бұрын

    That albinauric dialogue is so creepy. The delivery, the hushed tone, the weird prayer format, it all reminds me so much of the fishman from the Fishing Hamlet in Bloodborne. It even sounds like the same voice actor!
    "Atonement for the wretches, by the wrath of Mother Kos..."

  • charliebear raspin
    charliebear raspin Ай бұрын +1

    Something I’ve been interested in but haven’t ever seen anyone mention, (not that I’ve ever really sought such out.) is the character referenced in the item descriptions of the following: the blue dancer charm, the flowing curved sword, and I believe the prosthesis-wearer heirloom,
    A blind swordsman who was given a blade of flowing water by.. a blue fairy, (not even gonna question it.) at some point met Malenia, and became her mentor.
    A character I can’t really figure out, but I do think is very important in some way. P.S, here’s some lines of dialogue I can’t really figure out fully,
    “Blade in hand, the swordsman sealed away an ancient god - a god that was rot itself.” “Though born into the accursed rot, when the young girl encountered her master and his flowing blade, she gained wings of unparalleled strength.” Because how could they “seal away” “a god that was rot itself.” The only comparable feat in the lore is Cleanrot Knight Finlay carrying Malenia back to the Haligtree, supposedly to the very base of it, where she never left.
    And how did Malenia gain her wings (likely of scarlet butterflies) if the blind swordsman sealed that power away/was opposed to it.
    This rant really just boils down to me giving a suggestion for a video, as it would make for good content, and I want someone who is experienced in fromsoftware game lore and is skilled in reading into it to take a look at what I find to be a cool character, despite the minimal information I could find on them.
    Wow, this comment is long, sorry.

  • Darren Horan
    Darren Horan Ай бұрын

    I always thought of Godfrey being inspired by Thorkell form Vinland saga. He has a very similar look and vibe, and even has a very similar moveset

  • Tobias W
    Tobias W 2 ай бұрын

    The mystery that keeps my brain ticking is, who is in control of the black knife assassins after they killed Godwyn? They show up dead at the end of Ranni's questline around the towers and Ijii, obviously killed during an assassination. But Ranni gave them the shard of the rune of death

    • Sigecaseh
      Sigecaseh Ай бұрын +1

      You can find the “ringleader” in a gaol in the moonlight plateau after astel

    • Micah Bradford
      Micah Bradford Ай бұрын +1

      My guess is Ranni still controls them to some extent. Given that you find them dead at the end of her quest, it looks like she may have sent them to kill Blaidd, but he was too powerful for them.

  • SeanChan
    SeanChan Ай бұрын +1

    Holy crap vaati, the eternal champion?! That's just the clue I needed to connect my all the games are parts of a much larger story theory. Ty

    • MVMusic
      MVMusic 14 күн бұрын

      Not really sure what youre talking about but Gofrey was a character created by GRRM not Miyazaki so the eternal champion segment of this video is incorrect.

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  • Justin Taub
    Justin Taub Ай бұрын

    the erd tree and minor trees scattered throughout the lands between are so GRRM, they are very similiar to the weirwood trees in ASOIAF. a lot of book readers think the weirwoods are a hive mind fungus organism that connects across westeros, and those with greenblood can latch onto them to see memories and events across space and time, at the cost of being subsumed into them as hosts.
    there are chapters in the most recent book where bran has visions of ancient northmen making blood sacrifices to the trees, and further theories that the starks, while portrayed as the most noble in the series, probably have a lovecraftian deal with others through the trees. all of this leads to the conclusion that the trees serve a dark gnostic god, not unlike the golden order being an all consuming dogmatic force that leads ranni and others to try to over throw it. lord of light = frenzied flame??

  • Alessandro Celauro
    Alessandro Celauro 2 ай бұрын +3

    If you look at the helm of the gladiators, you will notice that the central snake has a face on its belly, just like the God devouring serpent/Rykard

    • Sinister Wombat
      Sinister Wombat Ай бұрын

      The best warriors make the finest meals after all

  • Ratman
    Ratman Ай бұрын

    What if crucifixion isn't meant to be a method of execution in Elden Ring? Since there's an entire race of people that can't really die, perhaps it's meant more as a punishment. Caught pickpocketing? Crucified for six months.
    Seems like the kind of thing Godrick would do to people who weren't worth grafting.

  • JC Holmanation
    JC Holmanation Ай бұрын

    The VGAs aren’t far away and with Elden Ring nominated for almost every category I can only imagine we’ll get some kind of DLC or update news then.

  • Charles Zane
    Charles Zane 2 ай бұрын

    Godfrey is inspired by King Arthur. The Tarnished Archeologist did a great video on this.

  • Nathan Congdon
    Nathan Congdon 2 ай бұрын +4

    I think the fingers’ clapping animation was cut because they might have accidentally led to a “red herring”. If they were left in, players would try to find a “secret code” or some way to “interpret” the movement, when it may just be meaningless. It’s much easier to just have the old crone translate for us.

  • Stolf Boich Ch.
    Stolf Boich Ch. Ай бұрын +1

    The biggest thing I learned from this is that people take the long way back to Rennla instead of taking the ball path

  • Psychopath
    Psychopath 2 ай бұрын

    While it sounds nice, the fact that raya lucaria has no marikas stake, because of the lore, is kinda a stretch. Most of the Legacy dungeons don't have stakes of marika. The only exception I can remember right now is the golden godfrey fight in Leyndell.

  • Jonn I.E.
    Jonn I.E. 2 ай бұрын

    From the debate parlor, run straight along the edge, there's two beams connecting to the bridge, jump on those, jump on bridge, dodge the balls while running up the bridge and you're right at the boss area. The quickest and safest way back I'm pretty sure

  • Logan Searles
    Logan Searles 2 ай бұрын

    It would be cool if they re added the brave’s set.

  • Jon Berry
    Jon Berry Ай бұрын

    Latenna my favorite summon in the game I wish her story was fleshed out more and we could see her and her wolf ride

  • Alec Rochford
    Alec Rochford Ай бұрын

    The body that D is standing over when you first meet him in the field is also wearing the Guilty Hood item.

  • Dennis Evans
    Dennis Evans Ай бұрын

    I read the eternal champion novels as well as the Elric novels by Moorcock in the 80s wow thanks for that reference to the game amazing info for me personally😅one of my favorite books and I assumed to never hear of it again. Made my day😊

  • Jayce Whateley
    Jayce Whateley Ай бұрын

    I believe that the dominant Moorcock inspiration is actually in the character of Maliketh.
    Moorcock's most famous incarnation of the Eternal Champion, Elric, is a character haunted by his bonding to a weapon of great power, his sword Stormbringer, often referred to as 'The Black Blade'.
    In turn, the Beast Clergyman is a somber character, tied to his weapon, a great black blade, and literally becomes Maliketh the Black Blade when drawing it from within himself.

  • Jordan Myers
    Jordan Myers 2 ай бұрын +183

    I wish we’d get more theories on Melina, I’m very curious as to who she is. The Lands Between mirror engagement with the wedding ring placed on the right hand (as seen with Ranni) and our first glimpse of Melina is her right hand with a ring on it. Is this a detail people are overlooking, I’ve never seen it brought up.

    • Psychopath
      Psychopath Ай бұрын

      @Monsieur Dorgat
      "Honestly, this is a great question about what state of being Melina even is. I mean - she apparently needs to hitch a ride with us to get from wherever we find her to Lleyndell, yet she also just kind of phases around and can permanently leave us if we piss her off by becoming the Frenzied Lord?"
      I know what state she is in. She is bodiless, meaning her soul can't reenter her body, because it doesn't exist anymore. The way the reviving works is that the soul goes back to the erdtree and then goes back to their body. She is directly bound to the Erdtree because of it. And that's also why she can walk more freely near the erdtree. She ditches you after the three finger cutscene and that's directly under leyndell and at the roots of the erdtree.
      My question was more focusing the burned part. How did she burn, when did she burn and why did she burn? If you would get rid of your body which was burned before that, you wouldn't call yourself burned. More like being freed from being burned. But if her death was caused by burning the way it's written makes more sense.
      But a new question arrises. Why is she in limgrave? If she can't move freely, does that mean that she also died there? But maybe we shouldn't take that so literately. After all her goal is to enter leyndell, which can't be entered without enough great runes. So maybe she was always able to walk around freely.
      "I think the only thing it could potentially mean is "maiden for kindling", kindling in this case being the sacrifice required for the Giant's Flame to burn the Erdtree."
      Or any other type of kindling. There are a lot of flames in elden ring.
      The main issue I have here, they say it like if it's her most prominent name. If she would be the GEQ, it would be a MUCH more prominent name to go with. Also the POWER of it's former owner. Not even a hint of black flame power. (and no the connection to black knifes doesn't count)
      "Firstly, one tenuous interpretation of the first line is "to set out on a journey to fulfill a duty FROM long ago[...]"
      It's definitely a theory, but keep in mind that everything they did was long ago, as the demi-gods. And it's very likely the purpose her mother gave her long ago.
      So "[...]i.e. to finish what she started long ago, i.e. kill Marika[...], is the less likely possibility here. The duty probably doesn't stem from the killing attempt and more of what her mother gave her. If she is the GEQ or not.
      I don't think I have to edit anything to the speculations you made at the end.
      Almost thought I had to make even more comments this time around.😅
      But I could keep it short.
      Thanks.
      Have a great day.

    • Psychopath
      Psychopath Ай бұрын

      @Monsieur Dorgat
      "my point was again that there is much we don't know about the time period between the war with the Giants and the foundation of the binding of Destined Death, i.e. the rise and creation of Radagon, the defeat of the GEQ, everything about Melina, etc. All the quotes you provided more just show how much Fromsoftware intends for this to be a speculative mystery."
      And I agreed with your first point. I only stated what's more likely, which is why I said "probably". From likes their mysteries, but the intend of most of the lore is to be solvable. A fraction will remain ambiguous, but as time passes we will have a solid grasp of the majority, I'm sure. For what other purpose are hints hidden in every single detail. But that's debattable, I have to admit and the GEQ might be a part of the fraction. But I sure don't hope so.
      "Part of the issue is that no theory is without great deals of speculation."
      Of course not. The speculation just shouldn't be contradicted or the less likely scenario for the sake of a narrative. The latter isn't really that bad, but it would be conformation biase we all are victims of in some way or another.
      I'm not highly critical of that video, if you think that. I don't doubt that it's a great video, with careful thoughts put in for every case. But even this video you highly praise isn't without a chance to fail. Just wanted you to not forget that possibility. (still didn't watch it)
      "Sadly, there are almost no statements"
      Didn't expect you to pull anything up. Just wanted to be very clear, if you have solid evidence it would make the discussion way easier. Just a wish.
      "the formation of the Golden Order, which is synonymous with sealing Destined Death"
      Didn't we talk about it and how this is not necessarily the case. The golden order is synonymous with the removal of the rune of death, not with its sealing. How it's described these could be different events.
      "Since we agree that the Godskin Apostasy happened after the Age of the Erdtree began"
      The way you say "Godskin apostasy" doesn't really make sense to me. I mean the blackflame monks committed apostasy (if I use that wordright), but the godskins didn't. The Godskins could be much older than the betrayal of the monks. Even older than the Age of Erdtree. That they are younger than this age is of course also not unlikely, but we can't say for certain.
      "[...]Apostasy had to end with Maliketh sealing Destined Death and defeating the GEQ"
      Again the sealing. The removal could have happened way before that and therefore the golden age could be in place since then.
      "You can't begin the Golden Order without defeating the Godskin Apostasy and the GEQ first,[...]
      First off why? Even if the golden order began with the sealing, you can still defeat the GEQ afterwards. I would say it's less likely, but to say that it's impossible...
      Maybe you have to explain that word "apostasy" to me. I googled it and how I understood it, I don't know how you would defeat an apostasy. And the Godskins are still present to this day, so I would say they're still going for their queen, although not as prevalent.
      "It's a rather specific timeline, and one that allows Melina to both be Marika's and Radagon's daughter as well as the GEQ."
      This only works if radagon and marika had kids, before he became her consort. Idk it would be very odd. Why even bother to leave rennala later, if they could've had kids in secret, way less risky. Her being related to radagon and being the GEQ still very unlikely, unless the golden order was established earlier.
      "[...]there's evidence to suggest Melina's connection to the GEQ, and nothing to say definitively negate that fact[...]"
      Ever since that blackflame monk argument, I have to agree with that. If I didn't make that clear enough before.
      "Why don't you think that's the truth? I thought you agreed that unleashing Destined Death and burning the Erdtree meant an end to the Golden Order - that is, to ruin Erdtree Burial and thus, bring back permanent death?"
      Because it doesn't bring destined death to everyone, unless it's a part of the order. The erdtree burial would not work I agree, but there are enough alternatives to go to as an inhabitant of this land. Like the Death rite birds. Their guidance is not to be confused with destined death, whose is a death without guidance.
      Other than that your argument was that the entire dialogue hints that melina is GEQ, because she lets you unleash permanent death. But that is not the intention melina has. She wants to help you gain access inside the tree and then create a new order.
      Only if you don't want to create a new order she doesn't want to help you. Also most of the endings doesn't even kill marika, which is questioning if melina's mission really is to kill marika.
      The finger reader would be suspicious of anyone attempting that, but melinas intentioms doesn't line up with the suspicion the finger reader has. So this connection is a stretch at best.
      Also black flame is not synonymous with destined death. They're linked. If they were synonymous we couldn't use them whatsoever. The blackflame only draws from it.
      "Which, honestly was probably to kill Marika/Radagon."
      Don't say that it can't be, just saying that she did a terrible job.
      "We do know it wasn't only the GEQ who wielded the godslaying version of the black flame synonymous with Destined Death - it was also her apostles, as well as the Blackflame Monks - so this was something many people could tap into. In fact, wasn't that your later point?"
      Explaination: "Sacred cloth of the Godskin Apostles, made from supple skin sewn together.
      Successive attacks restore HP.
      The Gloam-Eyed Queen cradles newborn apostles swaddled in this cloth. Soon they will grow to become the death of the gods."
      They probably gained their incantations from her at birth and they gave these to the fire monk. Which is how we get them as well. Unleashed the explaination is obvious, though If it's unleashed onto the world- meaning it vanishes- how did maliketh even get it then and why was it a part of the order in the first place, if it always works the same. Also releasing it onto the world would also contradict goldmasks ending, which reinstate the golden order, meaning no one can die again, but with the destined death still being unleashed it would question the legitimacy of that new order.
      I make points for multiple theories and possibilities at once here. I can see how that could be confusing at times. So yeah I made that point in a different context.
      "The "Gloam-Eyed" part doesn't really have to be indicative of destined death, per say. It's just a description of her appearance, and it's something Melina is shown to have hidden away."
      If the gloam-Eyed is seriously just a visual (why then the claw mark?) then she definitely is underpowered for the task before her. She promised us destined death, but we have all the power, probably also destined death, so to kill us she at least needs a fraction of it. And a part of her eye being at least a fraction makes more sense than this just being a visual.

    • Monsieur Dorgat
      Monsieur Dorgat Ай бұрын

      @Psychopath _Second major question is why is she burned AND bodiless?_
      Honestly, this is a great question about what state of being Melina even is. I mean - she apparently needs to hitch a ride with us to get from wherever we find her to Lleyndell, yet she also just kind of phases around and can permanently leave us if we piss her off by becoming the Frenzied Lord? Very hard to say. If she is the GEQ, I guess it would be hard to die when defeated since defeating you would mean sealing away the very thing that would make you permanently die 🤔
      _I looked at this item description and she is called here the kindling maiden._
      I think the only thing it could potentially mean is "maiden for kindling", kindling in this case being the sacrifice required for the Giant's Flame to burn the Erdtree. At least - that's the only thing it could be within the current lore. It seems like this may have been Melina's mission from Marika, but also just what Melina wants.
      "Dagger given to one who set out on a journey to fulfill her duty long ago. The power of its former owner, the kindling maiden, is still apparent. The one who walks alongside flame, Shall one day meet the road of Destined Death."
      Honestly, this description does a few interesting subtle things that make me see a connection between Melina and the GEQ. Firstly, one tenuous interpretation of the first line is "to set out on a journey to fulfill a duty FROM long ago", i.e. to finish what she started long ago, i.e. kill Marika. The last line hints this even more - that whoever messes with the Flame or Ruin (the one walking alongside flame) shall eventually do the work of Destined Death. Perhaps the Flame of Ruin and Destined Death were mixed to create the God-Slaying Black Flame? Hard to say - but this kind of pokes at a connection between the two.
      _This respond was very good. Definite improvement. You brought up much stronger points this time and I have to agree on some of them. Great comment overall._
      😚 Thank you! lol I'm trying. Best I can do is summarize stuff from a better content creator.
      Cheers!

    • Monsieur Dorgat
      Monsieur Dorgat Ай бұрын

      @Psychopath The name of the video is: "Elden Ring Story Timeline" by Smoughtown.
      I'll consolidate from "oh boy here we go again." to "Implying that Goldmask couldn't make any findings on who radagon is." - my point was again that there is much we don't know about the time period between the war with the Giants and the foundation of the binding of Destined Death, i.e. the rise and creation of Radagon, the defeat of the GEQ, everything about Melina, etc. All the quotes you provided more just show how much Fromsoftware intends for this to be a speculative mystery.
      _what only matters, if the theories hold up._
      Part of the issue is that no theory is without great deals of speculation. Also, I'm summarizing a video that's nearly an hour and a half long lol - I literally could not match that script here for you! Much of the timeline I'm supposing here requires a larger lore narrative that includes things like real life technological progression, lore on otherwise unrelated topics, etc.
      _Still hope you give me a proper text or something that states this (the timeline) as absolute truth, would make things easier. It's a possibility._ to _In both scenarios the GEQ could be as old or young as we want to. It doesn't make clear that her reign started only then and as far as I can see it neither is implied._
      Sadly, there are almost no statements in the entire game that directly state a timeline. Most of it has to be pieced together contextually. I'm glad that we can at least agree based on that subtle contextual evidence that the GEQ and her apostles (i.e., the Godskin Apostasy) were defeated after the war with the Giants, because it creates a definitive period known as the Age of the Erdtree.
      In Marika's own words 😘"Put the giants to the sword and confine the flame atop the mount. Let a new epoch begin. An epoch glistening with life. Brandish the Elden Ring, for the Age of the Erdtree!"
      These together are important - the formation of the Golden Order, which is synonymous with sealing Destined Death, came some time after the Age of the Erdtree began. Since we agree that the Godskin Apostasy happened after the Age of the Erdtree began with the defeat of the giants, we know that this Apostasy had to end with Maliketh sealing Destined Death and defeating the GEQ. These events are unambiguously synonymous. This specifically places Maliketh's sealing of Destined Death and the creation of the Golden Order after the initial Age of the Erdtree and the start of the Golden Lineage. We also know for certain from Rogier's dialogue that the end of the Liurnian Wars that Radagon rose to prominence in were after the establishment of the Golden Order, so Radagon's creation was probably some time between the Giants war and the defeat of the GEQ.
      So it's not really an arbitrary timeline for GEQ's defeat. You can't begin the Golden Order without defeating the Godskin Apostasy and the GEQ first, and the Godskin Apostasy has to happen after the defeat of the Giants. It's a rather specific timeline, and one that allows Melina to both be Marika's and Radagon's daughter as well as the GEQ. Or, alternatively, Marika/Radagon and the GEQ's daughter. It's messy, but it gives Melina's connections to the GEQ a great deal of credence to see that her being Marika's daughter doesn't contradict her connections to the GEQ, or even prove that she isn't already the GEQ. This is what I mean by "an argument of uncertainty" - I'm saying that there's evidence to suggest Melina's connection to the GEQ, and nothing to say definitively negate that fact but also nothing more specific than a vague connection.
      _The finger reader says burning the tree will unleash it, which is not the truth. What she is saying clearly comes from the prophesy we heard about before. She isn't a reliable source here for the outcome._
      Why don't you think that's the truth? I thought you agreed that unleashing Destined Death and burning the Erdtree meant an end to the Golden Order - that is, to ruin Erdtree Burial and thus, bring back permanent death? Aren't we genuinely enacting that prophecy - because we absolutely are unbinding Destined Death and burning the Erdtree. Only Frenzied Flame do you burn the Erdtree ALL the way down so that nothing can replace it, but you get the idea.
      _She is very loyal to the task marika probably gave her._
      Which, honestly was probably to kill Marika/Radagon. This final mission to Melina both fits Melina's connection to the GEQ as well as Marika's wish to see her age replaced/Elden Ring shattered. Hell, even in the Godskin Apostasy, it's somewhat clear that the goal of it was to slay the gods, not the world. That's the Frenzied Flame's schtick, so wanting to kill Marika wouldn't even be a change of heart for the GEQ.
      _It's more likely that we don't unbound it to everyone. We probably take it into us and therefore gaining the power to kill gods. Like every other rune in this game works._
      Not sure about that. Runes we acquire for ourselves become key items in our inventory. The Rune of Death does not go into our inventory, nor can we equip it. It seems more like it's genuinely being unleashed upon the world, unbound from Maliketh and woven back into the fabric of reality. Hard to say though - I don't think we can say for certain either way. We do know it wasn't only the GEQ who wielded the godslaying version of the black flame synonymous with Destined Death - it was also her apostles, as well as the Blackflame Monks - so this was something many people could tap into. In fact, wasn't that your later point?
      _In my argument the main focus was on reinstating the death rune into the worlds order, because that's how it usually works with runes._
      _Why does she still have a part of destined death/where does that part destined death in her eye even come from? Keep in mind we didn't gave it to her. That it was just sealed doesn't make sense. First why would they let her keep a part of it after her defeat by the hand of maliketh_
      The "Gloam-Eyed" part doesn't really have to be indicative of destined death, per say. It's just a description of her appearance, and it's something Melina is shown to have hidden away. That being said... Maybe it does relate? The only time we see that eye open is for the Frenzied Flame ending, where we unleash Destined Death and raze the world to nothing, but don't kill Melina. Furthermore, her gloamed-eye seems to be sealed with some kinda... Claw tattoo? IDK, maybe there's something to that. Melina's stink-eye might be sealed away until Maliketh dies with that literal claw seal 🤷‍♂ and we only get to see it in the one ending where Melina survives long enough for Maliketh to die. Not gonna die on that hill, but it's interesting!
      lmao this was the response to (1/2)

    • Psychopath
      Psychopath Ай бұрын

      @Monsieur Dorgat (2/2) Got to big for youtube:
      Second major question is why is she burned AND bodiless? Was she burned before or is the burning the reason why she is bodiless. Mentioning that at the same time suggest it. Would the GEQ born herself with her own flame? Especially if it's godkilling. If it was before we surely would see that in her design. I didn't the much burning on her body.
      "Dagger given to one who set out on a journey to fulfill her duty long ago. The power of its former owner, the kindling maiden, is still apparent."
      I looked at this item description and she is called here the kindling maiden. If she was widely known as the GEQ why is this weapon giving her such a weird name. And what's with her duty.
      I definitely see the connection between the two, but it doesn't quite fit at the end. Like puzzle peaces, which only slightly not work.
      This respond was very good. Definite improvement. You brought up much stronger points this time and I have to agree on some of them. Great comment overall.
      I really do not have a lot of time, so a lot of this was right out of the gate. Didn't do a lot of research. And couldn't do a lot of adjustments.
      Keep you updated if I find some new things, which bother me or clear things up more.
      Have a great day.

  • hollobones
    hollobones Ай бұрын

    I have a theory that the dialogue of the albanarics is connected to the age of stars ending. I believe this due to both Lorretta and that dammed puppetmaster being servants of ranni and the dialogue referencing the stars punishing every living thing and ranni saying she wanted to create an age of fear and loneliness as well as the fact that I find it hard to believe that beings as intertwined with the fate of the stars as the albanarics wouldn't have a hand in the creation of their lord of night.

  • DAM Good Music
    DAM Good Music Ай бұрын

    Very fascinating secrets, thank you for sharing and making this nice video.

  • Maxy boy
    Maxy boy Ай бұрын +1

    Is great seeing an ER lore video in “trending”, not just in gaming

  • insert name here
    insert name here Ай бұрын

    I'm reading berserk "the thousand year fiefdom", why have I not heard anyone compare "the lands between" with the ancient name of that city in midland that was destroyed by God he sent his 5 angels, sorry, 4 angels. That city whose name meant "land in the middle of nations"
    Wait, what did leyndell mean???

  • SEAOTTAR
    SEAOTTAR Ай бұрын

    All this cut content is making me very curious and excited to see what they do with the dlc.

  • J D
    J D 2 ай бұрын

    I'd like it to be ACTUAL gladiatorial arenas. Like one for only pvp and another for pve and the last for like invasion style pvp and pve mixed. I liked DS arena but I think it would be a waste to be ONLY pvp.

  • Color Green
    Color Green Ай бұрын

    I hope that the arenas also give us new items

  • Tracker
    Tracker Ай бұрын +1

    It's interesting to hear how chillingly similar the albinaurics saying "punish the world entire" are to Kale's "burn the world entire"...

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  • GodlikeOCD
    GodlikeOCD Ай бұрын

    I know I'm not the only one who hasn't beaten this game yet.. we need to beat this before dlc drops

  • Ladon McCabe
    Ladon McCabe Ай бұрын

    The eternal champions themes, towards the end at least, heavily resembles eren's character in AOT

  • Zhengis Tasbolatov
    Zhengis Tasbolatov 2 ай бұрын +5

    Imagine if we had 3v3 teamfights in Coliseums? Players would come up with roles like: damage dealer, control, heal/buff supports...

    • RANBOJD10
      RANBOJD10 2 ай бұрын

      we had them in DS3 also It you want 3v3 from needs to change the player cap

    • Warmaster 111
      Warmaster 111 2 ай бұрын

      Or not care about it and just play whatever build they made. Though it would be cool to have a system like that in the game.

  • Jacob Moench
    Jacob Moench Ай бұрын

    The more I learn about the lore of Elden Ring, the more I realize that IM the bad guy.
    Loretta, an albanauric looking for refuge for her kind…me: big hammer, smash woman!

  • Zwei of Pembroke
    Zwei of Pembroke 2 ай бұрын

    Fitting of the cuckoo symbolism, mothers will lay their eggs in another's nest for them to raise their young in the mother's stead. Perhaps Marika, in being of Nokron, took the means necessary to deposit her young in a home where they would flourish?