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Machiavelli - The Discourses on Livy | Political Philosophy

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  • MissCaraMint
    MissCaraMint 2 жыл бұрын +22

    The Prince is an extended job aplication to the Medici. Yet it is his most famous work. Discourses is the better book if you want to know his real and compleat thoughts. It does kinda require reading the first five or so books by the Roman historian Livy though to really get.

    • MissCaraMint
      MissCaraMint 3 ай бұрын

      @Master Luxu And look out for the story about the sacred chickens. It’s fairly funny, but I also though Machiavelli has an interestimg perspectiv on it and religion in general. I’m pretty sure that was in Discorsi anyway.

    • Master Luxu
      Master Luxu 3 ай бұрын

      @MissCaraMint
      I’m going to start them today. Thank you :)

    • MissCaraMint
      MissCaraMint 3 ай бұрын +1

      @Master Luxu Oh how fun. I recommend going through the first few episodes of Mike Duncan’s History of Rome podcast if you haven’t read Livy’s History of Rome. They are actually a really good overview, and also entertaining. Good sourcing too. And yeah my dad is an interesting guy. Good at breaking down concepts and making them interesting. Good luck with your reading.

    • Master Luxu
      Master Luxu 3 ай бұрын +1

      @MissCaraMint
      As a man who bought the prince for his son. And just yesterday order discourses on Livy.
      I’ve never been so happy to be wrong in my life.
      Your dad sounds like a wise man.
      Best wishes to you both. And thanks for the smile.

    • MissCaraMint
      MissCaraMint 3 ай бұрын +1

      @Master Luxu No my dad is an expert on Machiavelli. Also I I have read both the Prince and parts of Discorsi because of my dad made me interested in the subject. Also Discorsi is an analysis of the first five books of Livy’s History of Rome and I had already read that because of Mike Duncan’s History of Rome podcast.

  • Nabeel Mk
    Nabeel Mk  Жыл бұрын +8

    probably the best summary video of this book on KZclip - thank you!

  • Ingrid Hudson
    Ingrid Hudson  Жыл бұрын

    Very good explanation of differences between the thought and reasons for writing the Prince and the Discourses as well as the development of his overall understanding of what he sees as politically for the best

  • just1desi
    just1desi  Жыл бұрын +1

    Thank you. Great video. Succinct and just what I was looking for when I started reading and realized I had no clue about the background but didn’t want to go off on too many discussions and tangents but needed some clarifying info

  • sukosuko1
    sukosuko1 2 жыл бұрын +9

    Nice video, living in hk amid the turmoil here, the current system is heavily based on what Discourses described as the aristorcracy / oliogarchy and perhaps the average citizens feel disenfranchised. history repeats!. Can see now how a stable system needs all 3 forms just as he described way back in the 1500s.
    "principality, aristocracy, and democracy, all good forms. Each, however, is remarkably similar to a malevolent twin, called tyranny, oligarchy, and anarchy, and the virtuous governments easy deteriorated into their malevolent forms"

  • Rod Purvis
    Rod Purvis 2 жыл бұрын +2

    Thank you. I enjoyed your presentation on the Discourses.

  • Seth Williams
    Seth Williams 7 ай бұрын

    When you thought Machiavelli portrays civic virtue as a selfish desire of each citizens’ contributions in a system of governance guided by laws..

  • 123123mike
    123123mike  Жыл бұрын +1

    4:45 Machiavelli realizes it's wrong to ditch his friends for the cool kids, lol very funny. I've thought Rousseau was also kissing butt

  • Callum
    Callum 3 ай бұрын +2

    I clicked on this video for an overview before the reading and then you said you're a lecturer at the university I go to! (Streatham campus though)

  • Ch W
    Ch W 6 ай бұрын

    Really great presentations.

  • Salvatore Mazzone
    Salvatore Mazzone 2 жыл бұрын +3

    Machiavelli mentions Discourses on Livy in his introductory dedication to The Prince, so I wouldn't look at this work as being redemptive or in anyway a response to his more famous work.

    • MissCaraMint
      MissCaraMint 2 жыл бұрын +4

      The Prince was dedicated Lorenzo de Medici. It was a long job application to getting his old job in the chancery back. Not exactly something one should take as an indicator of his personal feelings.

    • James Lu
      James Lu 2 жыл бұрын +2

      Yeah but at that time he had only written the first book of the Discourses though, so he might've changed his mind my the time he finished the third one in 1517.

  • Trending topics
    Trending topics  Жыл бұрын

    Great man great teacher

  • Niccolò Machiavelli
    Niccolò Machiavelli 3 ай бұрын

    Excellent work!

  • NajaMomo
    NajaMomo  Жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • Arman Bath
    Arman Bath 7 ай бұрын

    this man made videos to help the people and then peaced out. the jesus christ of the 21st century.

  • Logan M
    Logan M 4 ай бұрын

    Meanwhile we are considered "civilized" by not following any of these. What a wicked world

  • Xippetotec the Flayed God
    Xippetotec the Flayed God 2 жыл бұрын +1

    Which edition of this book would you recommend?

    • Political Philosophy
      Political Philosophy  2 жыл бұрын +1

      Machiavelli, Niccolo. Discourses on Livy. Translated by Harvey C. Mansfield and Nathan Tarcov. University of Chicago Press: 1996.

  • Ibraahiym Kadessh
    Ibraahiym Kadessh 11 ай бұрын +1

    Not ‘the ends justifies the means, but means determines the ends’. The phrases are not equal. Political objectives that fail to affirm and attend to stated promises will always falter and die. It is the same as setting a goal, determining objectives and then adjusting the goal when it is one of the objectives is found to have weakness. The Medici letter has always seemed satirical to me, and the rest of the advice column describing how a prince should act confirms my suppositions. You may have a Republic or God but not both.; likewise a person may prefer a democracy and have both.

  • Corie Joel Sutherland
    Corie Joel Sutherland Ай бұрын

    Why did you show Lorenzo ‘il magnifico’ de Medici when you talked about a strong military leader? Lorenzo was not the focus of the prince.

  • Frankensteina
    Frankensteina Ай бұрын

    I love Machiavelli.

  • Sydney Morgan
    Sydney Morgan  Жыл бұрын

    thank you so much