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Alan here clarifying something: This episode does not mean we are suddenly *_TELEVISION THERAPY_* or *_VIDEO GAME THERAPY_*. We can't take that amount of time regularly to review entire multi-season shows to prep for this. Sorry. We will _occasionally_ be able to do limited series like this (Ted Lasso, we're looking at you, buddy!) We're glad that you're all so passionate about Steven Universe, but there's no way we can spend the time to watch 160 episodes of a show.But the channel is still Cinema Therapy. Movies are our passion. Love you all!
JUST IF there is a Video-Game Therapy I would love to see is the God of War 4 Father-Son relationshipI love your videos and have learned a lot with them
If you wanna do Steven Universe but shorter, I would recommend Steven universe future. It's only one season and is LITERALLY STEVEN LOSING HIS MIND...so yea 😃
The love death and robots episode jibaro would be a really interesting watch. All of the episodes in the seires are mostly stand alone and completely self contained stories. All I know is that jibaro made me feel very uncomfortable things and it would be a good one to analyze.
As far as limited series go, the patient would be a great one to do
@Louis Wai that would be SO interesting
When my mom was a psychiatric nurse, she had a patient in the middle of a psychotic episode, and she was trying to get him to focus on her to bring him back into touch with reality. In the middle of this, (with security guards right behind him) the patient lunged, not AT my mom, but PAST her, because she was a nice lady and he wanted to protect her from "Them." She always remembered this as evidence of this person's essential decency, that, even in the middle of a delusion and a severe psychological crisis, he was still trying to look out for others.
this comment was the trigger for me to start ugly crying
@Purifire Not “they can”, they ARE still human. I don’t believe there’s ever a “too far gone”, especially when it comes to mental health and psychosis. You probably didn’t mean it that way but I wanted to give my input
@Tessa T I have panic attacks and just got diagnosed with schizophrenia, and there is a big difference between my panic attacks when I can talk myself down because they might not be real, and the ones where I'm fully convinced that I'm dying and the people trying to calm me down are putting my life in danger. There's a wild difference. Thank you for bringing it up.
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Vi's greatest problem towards Jinx is that she doesn't understand her issues. The thought of Vander, Milo, Powder and Claggor is what gives Vi the strength to keep going. For Jinx the thought of them has been endless torment for years. Vi can't imagine that their family is exactly the thing that is Jinx' worst thought.
@vang-tou Lee Vi is not good with words. so she fail the moment she need the most.
@beetle * Not only that but Silco the series villain is the one who recognizes that those memories hurt Jinx and he tries to protect her by killing Vi.
@beetle * it does. Vi doesn't get it and can't save her sister because of it. Vi had the opportunity to save her sister with the right words but she failed.
@missalyssa108 I never thought of it that way! It's very interesting, and heartbreaking too
It’s like she’s almost choosing to kill Silco cuz he’d be less horrible as an inner demon than adding Vi.
"If you choose to love somebody, you're choosing to love a different version every day, every month, every year. Because if you just love the original - you're in love with somebody that doesn't exist anymore." That was profound, I love this channel and everything you two bring to it!
Hm, I don't think I agree. If the person I've originally fallen in love with develops say...an addiction to alcohol and becomes abusive...I am 100% OK with choosing to move on and acknowledge I don't love them that way anymore.
that was amazing
They talk well mannered and tbf, wise.
That was so true
I dont identify with the individual who inhabited my body at any point before the age of 12. And although for most cases Jonathan is exaggerating slightly and has taken some poetic justice, he still effectively hit the nail on the head. After enough years, a person could be said to no longer be who they were.I know this much for certain.Every goodbye yields a changed person.
I think my favorite description of that last moment is: "Powder killed Silco to save her sister,Jinx killed Powder to avenge her father"
Maybe not so much to avenge. More like she fully took on the Jinx persona to honor him.
ACTUALLY TRUE.... 😮💨😢
Oh ma gosh wtf that gave me chills
It's sad how Silco did genuinely become very attached to her, but because he did so through the lense of his own trauma he pretty much dumped his insecurities on her in a way that made her psychosis so much worse.
@Poppy Pollen in short: a broken man, try to heal a broken girl in a broken city.
Silco was a broken soul that deserved as much love as he gave Jinx, despite his own flaws. I love him eyes closed and I would've happily put my everything to save and take care of his wounded heart.
He loved her. But he waa a monster. So his love was monstrous. Its toxic and harmful. Still real. But the love will be a reflection of the persobln giving it
That scene at the end of the show when Silco is drinking at Vander's memorial fountain and tips some of his drink into the fountain. When he finally realizes why Vander did what he did to protect his children, and as Jinx listens in, now connecting her two father figures together, it's an insanely beautiful moment. You begin to see Silco as a human, a father, and you have nothing but sympathy for him in that moment.
@BassMunk I think he was not really manipulating her, I really think Silco is saying those things to Jinx out of good will basing it from his experience before. Remember that he does not know what the viewers know since we also see Vi and the other's POV, he actually believes they will betray Jinx and leave her the way Vander did to him so he was trying to protect her in his own way so that what happened to him won't happen the same with Jinx
For a show as complex as Arcane that blurs the line between good and evil so much, I would have been disappointed if a character was completely, one-sidedly bad. Marcus being the corrupt cop and the single parent who is a decent dad expresses this perfectly. It’s not meant to make us like him, it’s meant to show us the complexity of these kinds of situations. In real life, evil doesn’t look like someone sitting around scheming and cackling maniacally all day, and nuanced writing needs to take that into account. Also when you write a character and have them be anything more than a minor character, you should give them that depth. It gives your world that feeling of being somewhere that’s lived-in instead of just being a vehicle for the plot. That there’s more people with their own lives living there other than the main cast.
Those characters already have a whole story since they are in the game and taking these complex characters and breaking the down to be easy side characters of the Arcane series would feel very wrong. I love whenever all the characters show some depths because in real life there are no such things as plane characters and it would make it less "realistic" I think the depths of all this characters makes it even better to dive into it.I see it in everyday life that people refer to others as they are just as*holes etc. But there is always more than just the one side we see
Which is also so important for this show.. At the start of this CT episode they mention they don't know the setting/time of this show.. and it's because the WORLD and CHARACTERS have been under development way longer then this film, and was the original inspiration for it all. It was a MOBA, a video game that focuses on the characters alone. So when you make a world that REVOLVES around its characters, this is bound to happen. People talk about a squeal to Arcane focusing on characters like Heimerdonger or Caitlyn, but as an avid lore follower for RIOT Games, I don't think they will OR should. These are current, still living characters. This IS their current story in the world of Runeterra. And there are just as powerful stories happening all over its world.
I agree with you whole heartedly. It actually hurt me a bit when Alan was saying that it was a “downfall” of the show. It might be because of the fact that I love analyzing people, but whenever a show or a movie decided to make someone “bad” with no reasoning beyond “they’re a villain” it feels lazy and unrealistic.
I think the biggest thing with Vi, for me at least, is she *never* actually did abandon Powder. Powder was still in her line of sight the whole time, hence why she was able to get right back up and (try to) run and protect her.The key with her is Vander raised her. Vander who used to just talk with his fists, and arguably had a lot of anger issues. He probably taught Vi, given how similar they are to each other, to step away and cool off before coming back to recoperate. When Vi ran off, I don't think she it was ever to abandon, it was just to clear her head and give her the space, especially with how horrified of herself she was about laying a hand on her sister. And as I said, she really didn't go that far. Still within Powder's line of sight, Silco just literally came between them. So Powder didn't see that Vi was, in fact, still there.
Those were my thoughts too. My dad also watched it and when he watched it he said he was mad at vi for abandoning her, but I was like "no dad, she just stepped away because she saw how she hurt her sister".
Omg, there are sane people in this Fandom. And I have found them in this comment section.
i 100% agree with the whole 'clear her head' part. she definitely didn't want to leave her.
THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING
Agree with everything you said!!!
Something you didn't point out, but that I really love, is the final scene where Vi is trying to call back Powder, she's unintentionally recreating the game they played as kids; Vi is building up the big scary monsters, and she's getting carried away and not realizing that Powder/Jinx is getting scared. Only this time, it's not Vi who scares the monsters away...
@Theodore Rosenberg ikr, I love this fandom and its intelligent members
@Theodore Rosenberg *hurt:)
you know, reading comments under reactions and essays has made me feel a lot of powerful emotions and i've read some incredibly profound observations that i feel actually had an effect on both myself and my perception of the show and story.i'm not gonna lie, homie, i think this is the first one that made me say "oh, _fuck_ you." because dude, that shit *hurted*.
OMG I didn't notice this and I haven't seen anybody mentioning it up until now. That's really clever!
Jinx's baptism was killing Silco. She didn't mean to, didn't want to, it was just another split-second reaction that got someone she loved killed. She messed up, again, and not only did Silco not blame her, he continued to say she was perfect. She let Powder die with Silco, but hoped that Vi would still love her as Jinx.
And Vi thinks that by accepting/acknowledging her as Jinx, she's giving up on her, when really it's just meeting her where she's at. That's the fundamental disconnect between the two: Jinx wants to be loved for who she is, and Vi wants her to be something else (out of love).
I agree. Powder was always called Jinx because she would mess up everything she tried to do. She adopted the name after she killed her found family and made her sister leave (as she saw it). She was bullied and teased by Mylo for being a Jinx, but Silco loved her for it. He loved every bit of chaos that she was and tried to nurture her as best as he could, gave her a second home and a purpose and helped her feel strong by honing her skills and encouraging her, and most importantly a new person to cling to even as her mind fell apart. Then, in a split second of psychosis she kills him too. She kept on reaching out to Vi, hoping and trying to ague with the voices in her head that Vi loved her always and was being honest. Then when she killed Silco I think she really finally fully believed that she was Jinx, and worse, she was A jinx. Vi would never love her now, and even if she did, Jinx would probably accidentally kill her too, one day. So, she killed Powder instead, freeing (in her mind) Vi of the curse that she is.
I feel like part of Jinx's fixation on honesty and others being truthful is because she knows she can't rely on herself to know the truth through her delusions and hallucinations, so she has to know if she can trust the ones around her instead. Like she can't trust her own perception, so she's forced to trust theirs, so when they prove themselves as unreliable it cuts especially deep for her. With trauma and ND, I can understand that as well, having to work hard to have people around me I trust because I know I don't always see things the right way.
There's also the point where Vi tells Powder she's not ready, and that's why she got left behind, despite Vi telling her she was ready before the heist. I feel like that could also be a major memory and first pang of betrayal in her spiral that led her to feel like she had to prove herself as a child with her monkey bomb.
Lying brings false reality, false beliefs, false perceptions. The truth, even when it hurts, brings a true reality to which one can learn to adapt, to live with, beliefs and perceptions based on true reality. Lying also leads to doubt and therefore, possibly, to paranoia: what is true? what is wrong? how to know ? what, who can I trust? The truth is always better than a lie.
I think this could be it, but, I think it might also have come from all the times that Vi told her that she is not a Jinx, only to eventually tell her that everyone who called her that all along was right. From a certain point of view, it could be seen as Vi having lied to her on all the previous occasions to make her feel better, whether it was actually true or not. I could be wrong about some info here though, because I think it’s been nearly a year since I’ve watched this series, and I’ve only seen it once.
That's an amazing insight, and the best theory Ive heard so far.
Well said, I was wondering about that too like the Cinema Therapy guys, this makes a lot of sense now thank you for sharing and sending hugs 🫂
I also side with Vi way more than I don't. She sees Powder/Jinx in a horrible place, and place that is hurting her sister. She just wants to take care of her sister, no matter how she's changed.Silco sees the monster inside and feels it should be freed so she's not burdened by trying to be something else. I feel like there is a lot of projecting going on from Silco, encouraging the worst in Jinx, thinking it's what she needs.
My thoughts too. He just tells her the quick and easy way to feel better and Vi wants to help her in a more difficult but genuine way. The problem is that this needs a lot of talking and therapy, which the sisters never had the chance to have.
Sylco jinx relation also have a huge impact on the story, the part when sylco has to choose between peace and giving away jinx then he goes to his old friend statue (vander) and says he now understands gives me chills. he knows why Vander acted this way all he did to protect his daughters.
One thing I wanna mention that most people don't notice about Silco and Jinx' relationship is how it fits the exact description of "emotional inc3st." (Which isnt actual inc3st but rather is when a parental figure treats their child as if the child were a peer, giving them responsibilities which a child should not have. A good example would be how Silco projects his own issues onto Powder in an unhealthy and codependent ways, he trusts her with his medical treatment, he describs his traumas to her and vents to her.) It would be amazing to see you guys mention that in the video about Silco since it's such a huge part of what makes his villainy so realistic in a way I've never really seen before; his thought process is one that I've personally seen in real life and its absolutely terrifying(yet also alluring due to the "I trust/love you this much" factor)to be subjected to that abuse.
@N Kuykendall you can even see his disconfort in the way she closed to him.
@N Kuykendall yeah, and imo even in his last moment, he enables her, like saying other than yes I love you child but also saying that her ways are okay, which is not and totally not healthy either. As shown in the end, Powder chose to be Jinx, to go further, in a descent to chaos and madness. Some people thinks that last moment was sweet and Silco best dad, but the reality of it was that he still toxic, he tried to be a father in his own way, he cares for her, sure but his ways were manipulative and toxic. His way of parenting contributes a lot to how Powder/Jinx mental health issues worsen. He sadly projected his own issues on her plus her own.
Attachment disorder is caused by early traumatic interruption of the main caregiver bond or repeated disruption of the forming of primary bonds and in early childhood. Foster kids often suffer from it. Powder/Jinx first very traumatically lost her parents, then traumatically lost her new father and her sister and older brothers. All her primary bonds. Kids with attachment disorder don’t know how to form healthy relationship bonds and mistake physical closeness with emotional closeness. They will do things like embrace strangers or how no personal space boundaries. When I watched the show the first time it seemed obvious to me that Powder was suffering from attachment disorder, as well as other mental illness, like early psychosis. Her trauma and losses didn’t create all of her mental health issues, as she clearly had some already, but they sure made it way worse. She also was made worse by not having healthy family relationships who were helping look out for her, guide her and protect her from her own mental illness. Silco truly loved her as a daughter, in his way, but was a toxic influence and exacerbated or encouraged her problems.
@N Kuykendall Well, perhaps fortunately, to my knowledge I have not seen a child with attachment disorder and unhealthy boundaries, so I wasnt able to discern what was what. Now that you point them out I realize Silco was rather surprised by Jinx's clinginess. You raise very good points, and honestly make me relieved.
People (usually men, which I am not sure what that signifies just what I have noticed) always try to say they saw evidence of physical/sexual relationship between Silco and Jinx because of their physical intimacy. But that is a very un-nuanced oversimplification of their relationship. If you have ever seen a child with attachment disorder and unhealthy boundaries you would know that this is exactly what that looks like. They are overly physically intimate, have no concept of personal space, are clingy or violent by turns. Notice that every physically intimate moment between them is initiated by Jinx, including the very first one when she suddenly jumps into his arms after she is left alone with Vander’s body. He is a total stranger to her at that point. Silco never puts a hand on her in a sexual way that we see, and in fact sometimes seems a bit flummoxed by her crawling all over him but you can see he has accepted it as just “her way.” It’s 100% emotionally unhealthy on both sides, but I never saw anything to indicate a sexual relationship was being telegraphed.
I've said this to people: "There's a huge difference between loving someone, and loving your idea of someone."
@Kaylee Black Yes, that's the reason why he does it, but it's not a healthly method. Both Vi and Silco want a different side of Jinx to stay because they want the best for her, but Vi ignores the abused, traumatized "Jinx side". She never let her cope when their parents' died, she swiped it under the rug, and she didn't know how to stop Mylo from bullying her. And Silco ignores the hopeful, love seeker "Powder side", he makes her fear of abondonment worse. He keeps bringing her past back as a motivation which makes her scared of going back to being helpless. She's constantly thinking about her mistakes. None of them truly knows what's the best for her. I would say Vi's method is better, but it's still not good enough.
@Red panda Because it hurts her and it's not who she is anymore. Silco wants her to grow so that she's better equipped to survive. Vi wants her to regress because she still sees (and wants) the little girl she lost. Silco's tough love is selfless while Vi's love is selfish.
@N.O.H. Accepting and loving someone for who they are, flaws and all, is something right.
@atlantis undiscovered Yep.
@Kaylee Black But Silco doesn't like Powder, only Jinx who got rid of her "weakness". He sees younger Jinx as something that needs to be silenced for good.
Honestly I feel like Arcane did the right amount of "give attention to -side character-" because it gave more weight and consequences to every character's actions. It's never bad to show character motive and we get to see everyone's motive and that helps us understand how the events we are watching came to be. For example, the assistant that liked Viktor, we only got two scenes of her really, but those scenes established that she liked Viktor so when she tries to save him her action makes sense to the audience and its easier for us to empathize/sympathize with Viktor when she dies. And she also furthers the plot. It's the same with the corrupt cop, he played a part in setting off the events that ultimately put Powder into Silco's hands, and he's used as a set piece for Silco more than once, so seeing HIS motivations helps us to understand why he works with Silco/helps him, there's a reason and he can be used multiple times instead of just creating a new minion every time etc. Nothing is isolated and they honestly still manage to keep it minimal enough that I never felt like we were getting bogged down when we were shown other characters. Were some of them less interesting to me? Absolutely, but its good to see the tie-ins, it makes a cohesive story and all of them made sense to me in why they were shown/given attention.
I agree. I feel that it helped to make the characters less trope-y. Like, oh, another corrupt cop, goody two shoes rich girl, Igor/mad scientist, pretty but stupid mayor/councilor type, etc. It was more true to the reality of humanity in that everyone has a story and isn’t just good or bad. It could have been done to death but, for the most part, it was interesting.
I 100% agree with you. Arcane did all characters and decisions they make very realistic and thought-out because everyone just did what they thought was the right / best way.I think it's good that we get to know the woman who likes Viktor so her death affects us. But we don't know her very well what makes it even more sad. We as the audience feel just like Viktor who, as well, doesn't have the chance to know her as much as he could
Personally, the more character motivation I see the better. Could watch a full show that was just character motivations for a specific scene XD
One part of that last scene that always hurts is when Jinx says "Even though I'm...different" because I can tell that that moment before she says "different", that she is also saying "broken", "crazy", "wrong". All these other words are just pressing on the back of tongue and she finally settled on "different". Because you can feel you're a lot of things but to say them out loud, especially to a loved one, makes them real and more painful. "Different" she can say, "different" is what she can face right now.
"i should have known, nothing ever stays dead" its just a line that i think perfectly shows Jinx's mind. when something dies of course it stays dead, everything dies eventually but to jinx it just sticks around haunting her. how Jinx see's the world is so crazy that she has everything backwards to a point were it is normal to her. gosh i love this show
I just find it funny since it's based off of League Of Legends where it's true, nobody stays dead.
Everything in this show went so perfectly to drive Jayce, Jinx and Viktor all to the very edge, it couldn't gone worse if someone had planned it all. Mel manipulating Jayce, leading him to neglect Viktor and leading Viktor to grow desparate and spiteful. A combination of Mel's manipulation, Marcus' manipulation, Jinx's theft and the events in the undercity driving Jayce to become violent and scared and to sacrifice his dreams of making the world better for everyone in order to protect the people he was given responsibility over. And then the actions of Jayce, Silco, Vi, Marcus and the Firelights all compound to drive Jinx's already unstable mental state all the way over the edge.As far as I see it, the villains of Arcane are Mel and Silco, without those two everything would've been fine
Worth noting, at one point Milo says "He's our dad too" about Vander, so Powder didn't just get her friends killed, it was her entire adoptive family.
AYO, you didn't have to make me cry like that ;-;
Thank you! Why does everybody miss this? They were not friends, they were Vi and Powder’s brothers.
As someone who has has an anxiety attachment disorder to her father, the closeness is very similar. While I don’t have the manipulation with my own father- I do have an uncomfortable conversation with people who do think it’s emotional incest. This makes me extremely uncomfortable, I love my father, and cause of shit that happened to me young, he was my rock. It’s so disgusting when people see that and think I’m in love with me father 🤢 I went to therapy for this attachment since it is unhealthy
If you want a franchise that has characters who are only around for an episode that refuse to be one dimensional, I recommend "Violet Evergarden." There are 2 movies, but the bulk I would focus on is the single, 13 episode season. It is the only work of art to have ever elicited a visible emotional response from me.
This series is pure insane quality. To this day and probably until I stop or Riot messes it up, I can't understand how they were able to make this when they can't get their game right.
It took them 6years to do this masterpiece, with a lots of funds and no rush at all
Because game balance and design is not the same as writing a story. You can't ever get the game right or make it "good." they fix one thing and something else will be called broken. Xin Zhao used to be a broken character lmao.
Lmao love this comment so much
I think it's oddly compelling that the only person to ever instantly and unconditionally forgive Jinx for her mistakes was Silco. Don't cry, you're perfectThe characters in this are in some ways what i wished the characters in A Silent Voice had been. They're very well developed with all kinds of backstory and traits and inner conflicts. I know you made a joke of it in your commentary, but Katlyn is such a tragic character in a way. She has nothing but good intentions but her actions always make things worse... like Powder! Is Vi's attraction to her because she sees some of Powder in her?
I love vi because she subverts the stereotypes of “strong woman no emotion strong” Vi is strong but she holds so much emotion she cry’s she cares for people. Ekko is the one who holds the “hardened ” trait. I love how this show is so strong and confident in how it does women and just people in genre
@excessively fangirling bookworm argueably the best female characters ive seen in movies/series
He’s hardened because he needs to stay in the present and not be stuck in the past or carried away by the future
And that makes sense because he and Vi we shaped by very different circumstances. Vi was in prison for several years and didn't have to deal with Jinx day-to-day, so she's been able to hold that image of Powder in her head. Meanwhile, Ekko and the Firelights have had to deal with Jinx and Silco's Shimmer operation on a regular basis. He's seen who she is on the ground over and over again, so it makes perfect sense that he'd have a more hardened, but still sympathetic towards Vi, attitude about Jinx.
@Yoongi Trash he does only eventually and last minute but yes!!! Which is even more heartbreaking and satisfying at the same time
That's basically helped in making her one of my favourites in the series, she's a badass, but she's still capable of letting herself be vulnerable and human
Alot of people think that Vi saying she ran away from a real monster when it showed up is her talking about Silco, but shes calling her anger and kashing out at Powder as her being the monster
I notice you keep saying friend, but those are her brothers. Adopted sure, but they were all kids Vander took in. So it's even more severe when they died.
please more of arcane, of this season or the next one, it has so many little details and the pyschology and film making behind this is awesome and interesting as hell. I loved to watch you two talking about it and I swear if this video was 1,5h I'd be glad to watch it
I always thought that Jinx/Powder has the schizoaffective disorder with CPTSD, since trauma literally shaped her personality to the point that you can't actually understand where the trauma ends and Jinx's personality begins.Also I love the show because there are so many tridimensional characters that make the world amazing.
This show is definitely awsome me and other people online think she may have bpd along with schizoaffective disorder constantly thinking people are against her the way she'll lose it at times and the moment new characters pop up immediately seeing them as threat along with thinking she's a screw up all the time definitely loved the way they approached the series and trauma
Vi has the "first born child" trauma on top of everything else. She feels responsible for everything, no matter how out of her control it was
@Mischа Rомо he does not place any thing on vi. where her born make that responsible on her. you think vander is better if he just comfort her after a mistake? it's fking zaun, a mistake will cost life.
@Shawn Butler which was a terrible thing for him to place on the shoulders of a child. it's frustrating that everyone acknowledges powder's trauma but not vi's (not you but a lot of people in the fandom)
@Shawn Butler Vander says that as they are both leaders. And it's true to a point.
I feel so much for vi. In therapy I'm learning that it's okay if I care for myself first. A lot of my memories are about how I first turn to my sisters, making sure they are okay. I have thrown myself into the fire, became the scape goat of the family and still my thought is about how others perceive me and how I can protect them. Because if I were to protect myself first I could've seen the red flags, the attacks much more clearly and not take everything so personally. I'm learning its okay to feel my anger and loneliness, instead of suppressing it. Because if you feel your emotions in that kind of environment you learn how truly hopeless and weak you are and that there is no one to protect you. Vi had to be that distant.
Exactly, Vi took up the role of basically Powder's parental figure after their parents died (there's Vander of course but if you pay attention there barely is any line of dialogue between him and Powder, which shows us that Vi's her main caretaker), that role only being reinforced by Vander who constantly reminds Vi how much responsibility she bears over the rest of the crew. That's one one of Vander's flaws, an understandable mistake which so many parents in our world throw upon their eldest child's shoulders too. Like the previous commenter said, that's how Vander parallels/contradicts to Caitlyn when she assures Vi that what happened to Jinx isn't her fault (there was already the "you've got a good heart" recall; she's also a parallel to Jinx for Vi in other sometimes subtler instances, Cait's representing a different form of love to Vi - one she didn't know she needed)
The line "Are we still sisters?" is do damn good and really highlights how smart the creators were to give the voice actor that moment to REALLY give that line the life that to needs.
Please also make an episode on Ekko. I know he's not a central character and doesn't show up as much, but... he's so important. When the two sides are fighting for what they think is saving their own, topside and underside waging war, Ekko grew up to be there... actually making a change. Apart from those, regrowing and nurturing life, all while being an engineering genius. Love the guy.And so happy to see you guys tackling this series!
This might be a rare request, but there's a limited (12-episode) Netflix series called Erased based off of a manga that has a really compelling story about saving children from abuse and death.
Some things that missed:1. The monster Vi sees is not Silco, is Jinx.2. The blue clouds tatoo in jinx body are from the explosion in episode 3.3. The weapon Jinx made is shaped like the sharks that Silco admired so much, hidden under the surface.
@Dan C Where? That's really weird since she only "runs" from her sister
1. the writers clarified that Vi is talking about Silco
I think Jinx’s trigger around lying is due to her psychosis. When you know you can’t trust your own perceptions, there’s a degree of trust you have to place in the people around you to navigate reality. It’s a trust that goes beyond normal relationships. I have a somewhat milder version with being on the spectrum. If there’s someone I trust to help me socially, being lied to or manipulated by that person is especially devastating. I imagine there’s something similar with deaf folks and their interpreters or blind people with their guides. Jinx can’t tell the difference between truth and delusion, and being lied to by her father figure would be terrifying.
God, there are so many interesting, complex, and nuanced takes on this show. It's one of the reasons it's stuck in my brain so hard.
Oh yeah thank you for explaining. I've never thought about that aspect but it really makes sense
@N.O.H. fxck! that totally make sense! and now I'm sad :(
As someone who has minor psycholosis, BINGO. I 100% gauge reality on others, especially during episodes, and the idea of someone intentionally lying to me about reality, for whatever reason, plays deeply into my paranoia and fears. 100 percent why Jinx can't handle being lied to has to do with what results of the lie, good and bad. She's probably wondering what she was manipulated into and struggling if there was any value of it.
@N.O.H. But in Powder's eyes she was lied to. She was told one time that she was ready and then she wasn't. She wasn't a jinx to Vi but then she was. Then from her perspective the one person who side she'd always be left her without any thoughts of coming back. Then you pair that with an anxious attachment style and the fact that Vi was where she got her confidence from. When Powder was a child her whole identity was wrapped up in the fact that she was Vi's sister. Not because she chose to put the emphasis on that but because everybody else constantly compared her to how VI was at her age. Via was the only person who told Powder that she was more than her sister. And you're right Vi reassured her a lot but when it came down to it all of that reassurance got thrown out the window as soon as Vi said "you're not ready."
Series wise, it'd be cool to see you guys analyze Umbrella Academy. Its got a few seasons now, but even just the first season would be awesome.
Terror in resonance is a great one to do a video on. It's only 11 episodes and has a lot of depth and great character writing.
I can't wait for slicos villain therapy video, because hate the character (not as much as I hate Jayce) but I will admit he is one of those villain who earns points for not being a crappy father, not a healthy father daughter relationship, but at least he actually cared, loved, and stayed for her unlike a lot of other villain dads
16:37 I had abusive relationships not physical but verbal it hard to date guys now because of my last boyfriend who lied to an took advantage of me. So trust is now hard for me being age 26 with guys on dates which I Wish was easy.But your videos helps so much and remember what I’m worth.😊 28:04 I hope hope you make another video off this video because it helps so much.
Never thought we would get a TV series. So excited for this episode!
They even said themselves they wouldn't! I think since the fans were clamoring so hard to get them to talk about Avatar The Last Airbender
Now we need adventure time
@Jonathan Hancock bojack horseman would give them enough material for months
I mean, they've done two extremely limited short-run series. They are, combined, shorter than some film trilogies. People expecting them to do 24-episode 5-season runs of mega shows will be disappointed.
Yeah and there’s so many good mini series like « The Queen’s Gambit » or « The Night Manager » they could watch
As somebody who's been best friends with somebody who genuinely struggles with psychosis & schitzophrenia... Lying is a gigantic trigger. Why? Because they already struggle with knowing what is and is not real. The idea of a person lying only adds to that.Jinx is one of my biggest kins and the main reason is because my sister left me, quite recently actually. She hasn't talked to me in two years. The lines "are we... still sisters?" and "I thought, maybe you could love me like you used to... Even though I'm... different." cut me fucking DEEP.
as someone whos so deep into the league of legends lore, i can only say that season two has so many roads it can take, including vander :)
This show was one i was skeptical of at first because it was league of legends, but ended up being one of the few animated shows to break me so many times in one season and still make me want more knowing I'm just going to cry more.Its also one of the few shows I've seen where a character being gay is subtly hinted at and isn't used as a punchline for a joke or just blatantly screamed into your face constantly.
There's obvious chemistry, at least from Vi's side, almost immediately, but it still isn't rushed. It's very refreshing.
Yes, this and also the fact that this love is not rushed, growing gradually and slowly over time (Cait and Vi had spent together approximately 5-6 days together by the end of season 1), makes it a lot more natural, I'm actually glad they didn't get a kiss yet, the small hints are enough for now 💙
The silence before Jinx chooses her chair is very telling. It's not the voices telling her what to choose- it's her. It's heartbreaking that if Vi had understood that she needed to accept Jinx rather than reminding Powder of her greatest trauma, she might have been able to reach her. Georgia Dow has great breakdowns of their psychology on here!
Vi never abandoned Powder though, she knew she was out of control and was hurting Powder so she walked away to calm down. However, Powder didn't know that so she believed she was being abandoned. Vi stopped at the nearest corner where she could still see Powder but was far enough she could be alone to calm down. I also love how Jinx has so many people telling her Vi will betray her and that she can't be trusted but still gave her the benefit of doubt until the end, it really shows how Powder and Jinx are actively fighting each other throughout the entire season
This show was such an emotional roller coaster. Hearing that reunion conversation again "Are you real?" broke me. Nearly 5 years it took to make this and it is an achievement in both animation and storytelling. The folks at Fortiche are second to none. Taking the handcrafted and traditional principles of animation and bringing them to a CG animated environment is only starting to be mainstream with DreamWorks starting to adopt it but this show is what it can do at its peak.
Dude DreamWorks invented using CGI like trad animation 😂
I’ve always wondered why Jinx choose Jinx and not powder at the end, even with a carring sister like Vi. I think now that it’s because Silco told her something that even Vi didn’t say. He unconditionnally said « You’re perfect. » even if she shoot him. I think this is the moment she trully embrace the Jinx she is. She stops trying do be something else. Maybe that’s why the voices stop at that moment.
Also Vi proved she didn't really understand Jinx in the last episode. Vi kept shouting names that only caused Jinx hurt. She didn't understand that Jinx doesn't hold the same type of memories associated with those names. Silco understood. Silco tried to stop Jinx from hurting by telling her not to listen to Vi.
Part of Jinx's issues with lying I think also come from Vi always supporting and protecting her, then using her fears and insecurities to keep her from joining them in the mission to rescue Vander. Vi told her she wasn't ready, she couldn't help, and that broke Jinx's trust in her as well as any healthy self-confidence that she was nurturing. Vi lashing out after Vander's death just solidified that betrayal, and Silco likely fed into the idea that Vi never loved her.Thank you so much for doing Arcane, as a long-time League of Legends player and someone who struggles with mental health, it's really good to see professionals going over something that is so impactful for me.
You're right... First "you're ready"in the first ep then "you're not ready" in the third... Powder must've taken it as lying
I feel that humanising Marcus wasn't just for the sake of no-one dimensional characters. He served as a great foil to his immediate predecessor Greyson who knew how to balance the topside and the undercity in terms of crime and punishment and making alliances with criminals whereas he was a captive in circumstances he himself created and also thematically dealing with fathers undone by their love for their daughters.
The scene where Silco sits by Vander's statue and basically goes "Dude... I finally understand you..." is amazing character work
Doom Patrol is filled with characters that feel broken and try to get out of their bad habits and old loops, try to mend with their past and evolve. Plus it's a fun series based on comics with so much absurdity and dark humour.
Since you guys are willing to do limited series pleaseeeeeee do one on cyperpunk edgerunners
The line that really hits for me is Silco's "Don't cry, you're perfect" My heart hurts so much for Jinx. She needs a hug.
as someone who struggles with depression, abandonment issues and low self esteem...I agree I think the lying thing has to do with trust , exactly how you said it , if they r lying about anything they could be lying about caring or being there for you....its not a healthy way to live but I can see why jinx reacts that way
About one or three dimensional characters, one thing I remember and like about Stephen King is that there was a character in one of his books that got like three pages of being presented to basically die in the next paragraph.
The bit where you guys were talking about Jinx's "chaotic apathy" being an act that's born from pain over how much she cares...YES. There's a scene you didn't cover here where she's talking to Sevika and has her tied to a chair, and Sevika really gets under her skin by telling her Vi has replaced her with Caitlyn. Jinx seems like she's on the edge of a breakdown but then suddenly she does this overexaggerated sneeze and starts laughing. I fully believe the first part is real and what she shifts to is an act to cover up and avoid how much she's hurting.
Thank you for this episode.
I will say, as someone who experienced psychosis for 18 years before I got on medication, having delusions, hallucinations, what have you, leads to a big trigger geared towards lying. At least, that’s how it was for me. Because you’re constantly questioning what’s real or not, finding out someone lied to you is like adding to that pile. “Did that really happen”, “Are they truly my friend”, “Can I really trust them”, etc.
i think jinx's trigger with lying comes from when vi "admitted" that she agreed with milo. jinx knew he didn't want her around, but she thought her sister did. she thought vi would stand up for her, and when she says "you ARE a jinx, milo was right".... it probably felt like her sister had been lying to her. she probably felt betrayed and made a fool of.also in the last scene it kills me when vi starts to list all those people and she really thinks she's doing something good there. she thinks she's making jinx remember their friends and the people she loves, but it's like jono said, those are demons for her. it's heartbreaking to see how the effect it has on her is the exact opposite of what vi expected.
Awesome episode. I would love to hear Jono's thoughts on the budding Vi/Caitlin relationship as well. I loved the fact that they don't immediately get in the sack together, even though they were in the same _bed_ together, alone. It was a very mature bit of writing, in my opinion, and makes their relationship seem a lot more plausible and believable.
"If you're in love with the original, you're in love with someone who doesn't exist anymore". After 25 years of marriage, I find this so true and profound. My wife at 49 is not the person I met, and fell in love with, when she was 23. I'm not the same person as almost 50 as I was when I was 24 (as much as I'd prefer my 24 year old body without the medical issues and ravages of time). We have grown together, had a quarter century of ups and downs together, and we still love each other very much. Yes that love looks different today to what it did in 1996 when we met, or 1997 when we married, but it's still love and we are still in love with each other.
this is so wholesome to read, i'm happy for you!
As a man married for 2 years only, this is very uplifting man. Thank you.
You guys are a level of wholesome I've only seen in a few other KZclip channels. That said, I'd love to see you unpack The Sandman from Netflix. There's a lot you could unpack there, from purpose to pride, from Death to imagination, from loneliness to child abuse and childhood trauma. I enjoyed episode 6 in particular. It's got long episodes, but there are only eleven.
I don't believe Vi ever was trying to abandon Powder. After she punches her in anger she looks down at her fist and sees her sister's blood and then her sister's bloody nose. She realized she was in a state that could hurt her sister so she gave herself distance, enough that she could still she her sister from where she was. So interesting that the show never holds anyone's hands and tells them what's going on, it leaves it up to us to put the pieces together
One of the things I adore about this show is how it Vi and Cait's relationship also develops.
Hmmm... wasn't going to suggest this but on one of your got times or maybe it would be best to split this in half as the first half and second half are a bit different or have different main focus's Your Lie In April small animated series of about 24 -25 episodes as stated id say split it up into two but the show covers a great dealfrom depression, grief, love, hate, obsession, and rebuilding the series is built around beautiful artwork and music to help sell the emotions and does a fantastic job.Even if you lot don't go over it I still recommend it as an at home watch
The line "but you changed too" is interesting because of all the characters Vi _hasn't_ changed. It's like she's just stuck in time. What Jinx is referring to, isn't Violet's personality, or mannerisms that changed. It's the _idealized version_ of Vi in her head that's changed. That's gone. That's never coming back, because now there are other people in Violet's life she cares about. But here's the thing....She _Always_ had other people in her life she cared about. Not just Powder. But we can idealize people in our minds, and get fixated on that version of them. In Jinx's mind, Vi was HERS. No one else's. Now she's seen that she was ABANONDED _again_ for Caitlyn at the bridge, she saw Violet team with Ekko, so that's where the line comes from. And it's all the more tragic for it.
@msk that is true but no totally. Helping a enforcer like catelyn is a huge change. Doing a deal with the consuel? Or not giving a damn jayce killed a child? All that are signs she have change in profund way. Just because Vi demenor is the same dosent mean she havent change
@Mi Z check out Schnee's video on the topic, I think that's where OP's view comes from and when you really look at it. I think it's true. Yes, Vi has changed in some ways, but she's still 'Vi'. She's just growing.
I mean you can argue that Vi has matured and she shouldn't accept Jinx as she is but that's still a change. The change might be for the good but young Vi isn't blameless for Powder becoming Jinx either and Powerder didn't change that much to become Jinx. It was more degree than kind.Vi as Powder's role model showed her that violence was the solution to every problem or obstical. Vi encourage Powder in her bomb making; "They never work" "They will".Notice how distraught Powder was at being left. How when Vi slapped her her responce wasn't 'why did you hit me' it was 'why did you leave me'.Powder was putting nails in bombs at what 9 years ole? Jinx was always there, Jinx's insecurities were always there. The difference between Powder and Jinx is one of degree and competence. Vi had no problem accepting Powder and even encouraging he Jinx aspect.
@colpul2 But then I must also ask, why must Vi be fine with or accept Jinx though? It isn't like Jinx is someone who Vi should accept and let by gones be by gones.Yes we see traces where Jinx came from in Powder. The intelligent one, the sharpshooter, the eccentric one, willing to please those she loves. But the difference lies in that Vi encouraged Powder to foster her own self worth and not fully depend on her (Vi telling Powder to recall what she told her and Powder saying "That I am ready") while Silco let Jinx be reliant on him for all the self assurance she needs even if he did say the right things (Silco telling Jinx "You are perfect"). While the former is harder on the child, it instills a more stable sense of self love, and the latter while is more soothing for the child has a harder time developing a strong base for the sense of worth. Then there is the fact that under Silco, Powder became all too fine with killing, while that level of numbness was not there when Vi or Vander took care of Powder. It's one thing to accept Powder/Jinx's faults, which are abundant. But it is another to be fine with it and let it be, which is seems like what many seem to want from Vi. Then there is the fact that Vi knew Powder as Jinx like....what a few days? Yeah, no wonder it was hard for Vi to see Jinx as Jinx or accept that even conceptually. When I met an old childhood friend after years, it took me a day of staying together all the time to warm up to each other again, and that was under the condition that neither of us did a 180 degree change in our personality, demeanor, or standards. And even if I do agree that Vi did change too, it's quite miniscule, especially compared to Jinx. Vi still is a fighter who was all about protecting. Jinx was originally just a girl who had a knack for tinkering and who would never done anything to hurt her sister, which she totally is not now. Vi stayed essentially the same while Jinx changed a lot, which is why Vi's reactions towards Jinx is no longer in accordance with what Jinx recalls.
@colpul2 Yeah...who would not want to change a loved one who has homicidal rage issues. /s
I actually really like how everyone is three dimensional, arcane is first and foremost derived from a game some of us play, seeing backstories for viktor and singed was very cool because they’re in the game and I want to learn more about their story.
This show affected me more deeply than almost any other piece of cinema. I'm still obsessed nearly a year later. I'd love to see more about the amazingly complex characters and relationships from this show. Thanks for finally tackling it.
I would also say that Jinx feels this NEED for people to be honest with her because if she knows that you will always tell her the truth it spares her the attacks from the “voices” due to her psychosis. She doesn’t have to second guess and doubt. And can’t feed them - those nasty invasive personas - it spares her so much pain and mental struggle. As soon as someone lies once, anything they tell her afterwards those personas can attack and twist and then she needs to try find truth through so many opposing voices
The key to Jinx's trust and lying issues comes from early on. When Powder was eavesdropping, she heard Milo and Violet talking after the failed heist. She overheard Milo talking about how useless Powder was and heard Violet agree with what he was saying. She fled, and didn't overhear the rest of the conversation; where Violet was shown to have been speaking facetiously. This was never discussed between Violet and Powder, was then cemented as "truth" by Violet's subsequent abandonment and in turn warped their entire history and relationship as Powder perceived it
I interpreted it as Vi walking away because she needed some space. She had just hit her sister, which she thought she would never do, and she needed to be away from her before she did more damage. When she saw Powder was in danger, she tried to go back. It was never her abandoning Powder
I thought that this was very clear from the get go.
@MsUnamusedNerd Also her reaction was very human, she have lost her adoptive family too!!
THANK YOU, Vi never abandoned Powder, that's how Powder sees it, but she always intended to come back and just needed a moment to calm down.
@Mackie Lunkey People evolve and change, the difference for Powder is that she never had the tools to cope and make better choices, didn't have a healthy role model to emulate and to guide her, Vi did have that with Vander that's why i remark that he wasn't a father to Powder not only from her perspective but in his actions, he expected to teach and guide Vi and that by proxy she would do the same for her sibilings.
@Sonia JP Even worse, Powders transformation would have been inevitable. We’re probably just shown the most lenient path.
Easily in my top 5 shows of all time, and can we just say that the music in this series brought so much to the show and elevated it that much more.
Arcane is such a good series. From the voice acting to the writing and animation it just delivered on every front. Looking forward to the psychology of a villain.
I think if you look at the scene where Vi hits Powder as a kid then walk away, I don't think she truely abandoned her, I think she stepped away because she saw the blood and didn't want things to get worse so she was taking a minute but before she could calm down, walk back she was arrested and Silco took Powder/Jinx. I love this show after alot of significant trauma I really do identify alot with the stuff Jinx goes through and how hard it can be. Dead on the money with lies, the trust issue behind betrayal and being lied too blends together
One of my favorite depictions of the love and hardship of sisterhood and love and pain, I felt it in my heart and still do everytime I see even short scenes. Vi and Powder forever
I have to disagree with Alan here, I loved that even the side characters got at least one little moment for them. I love that the corrupt cop was humanized. For me, that is a big part of why this show is so great. It puts everything into complicated perspective and reminds you that nothing is as simple as it "often seems"/ many shows make it seem.
@Insert badass-funny-wierd name here! Oh don't worry I completely agree. However I don't think its more wrong than what Silco or anyone else did. None of the humanizing moments should absolve the character of their "crime" so to speak. Riot usually does this very well in my experience. Hell most of the time they are able to have the character grow along the way. I do agree that its not a justification.
I think the problem with Marcus in particular is because this humanizing moment doesn't change the perception of all his previous actions, not to me at least: He's still corrupted and abuses his power over others, he still backstabs and acts trigger-happy and made the Enforcers even worse than they already were. It explains what motivates him, but doesn't justify it in the least.
i loved it too, it shows that nobody is truly evil they all have their own ''legit'' motivations
@Inoli316 Even little touches like Singed chloroforming Silco, bcs he lost his daughter and knows what he feels. They humanized a guy who is known for his unethical and cruel science experiments.
I loved how every single character no matter what side they were on was not black or white. They had their own goals, ideas and yes trauma. Its what I love about riot. I've never seen a character that I could say was evil through and through in Valorant which I play a lot. Every character is a grey area no one is evil, no one is good. This is very, for lack of a better way to say it, like Riot. No one is born evil it is decisions and situations they live through that shape each one.
I honestly feel like traces of Jinx were part of her personality even as Powder, it may be a result of her trauma (losing her parents), and/or the kind of environment she's growing up in: early on we're shown a brutal fight between her group and other children and it's likely not and uncommon event for her to witness, she's constantly building what she considers toys, but are actually dangerous weapons (the failed NAIL BOMB that she throws at her chaser), and most importantly when she blows up Silco's workshop she looks at her own destruction with glee, not fear. She says Vi created Jinx but in reality parts of that personality were always there, the closest people to her were either unable to deal with them or at worst enabled her.
27:27 This is such good advice and insight. Honestly, I know Vi had her own guilt she was fighting, but she wasn't really thinking about Powder/Jinx. Even when they were little, they misunderstood each other a lot because Vi wanted to protect Powder so she'd keep her out of things. For Powder, that was suffocating. Vi didn't love Powder the way Powder needed to be loved. Powder's insecurities began ever since she was little. There's flashback of Vi hitting Powder before so it wasn't the first time Vi lashed out on her. Powder always had this feeling of not being good enough. I think she felt like she had to be a certain way to be loved. The first mission they brought her on, she screwed everything up. Vi was kind of her, but she never really understood where Powder was coming from. When they grew up, Vi still tried to treat her like a child. She didn't ever address how Jinx felt, all she could talk about was that she tried to come back. When someone does something wrong, the guilt makes them focus on that fact, but what the other person really needs is acknowledgment of how they feel now and reassurance that it isn't the whole truth. Vi never really gave that to Jinx. Of course the plot got in the way, but when it didn't, Vi already gave up on Jinx. Jinx wasn't too far gone yet, not until they gave up on her and Vi started to see her as some monster in the last scene. Vi didn't understand Jinx, that's why she shouted out all those names that haunted Jinx instead of comforting her. In that moment, Silco was trying to save Jinx. He saw how it was tormenting her, but Vi didn't. When he tried to shoot Vi though, Jinx shot him to protect her. She didn't want to kill either of them, but she did to protect the one that was in danger. I think after she shot him, she realized how he had accepted her and loved her, that's why she chose Jinx.
Super limited anime series you should do is Erased! It is only 12 (I think) episodes maybe 8? It's an amazing series! If you ever see this comment just take it into consideration 🥺
Unfortunately, you cannot love away psychosis.
What bothers me as a woman is this: when women are written JUST to be badass that type of writing is solely happening BECAUSE OF THE GENDER. And it's tropish and annoying and so blatantly "we're just doing this so you ladies out there can FEEL GOOD." But Arcane over here looks at women and removes GENDER and focuses on CHARACTER. Both men and women mess up, women aren't made to be badass at the expense of men which is annoying, men are seen in traditional female roles like Cait's dad is good with patching her up, her mom is in politics, a traditionally male role. And a lot of the empathetic nature of Caitlyn, a lot of the tropes we see in women in media, being the heart of the story, and all that is THROUGH Cait's DAD, that's how we get that neutralization. That's the key thing with writing women. Don't make it about THE GENDER. Just let the world itself forge what kind of person she is and will become. EVERY type of woman is here and they're here and well represented because of the WORLD they're in, NOT because of their GENDER. When it comes to writing women, it's important to focus on the following core aspects: 1. People like us, or relatable.2. People we aspire to be, or look up to.3. People we aspire to not be.We see people like Vi, and Caitlyn, people we can relate to, we see people like Jinx and Sevika, maybe people we look up to but don't want to become (in Sevika's case we might admire her, but maybe not want to become like her, and in Jinx's case we just don't wanna become like her), we see people like Ekko people we aspire to be. Arcane is a show about the duality of humanity at the core. And the reason why the women there are top tier, is because it shows that at the core, WE'RE NOT PERFECT. And that's OKAY to not be PERFECT little role models. Why? Because we never get better if we don't mess up in the first place. To err is human, and the sooner Hollywood realizes that when it comes to writing women, the better.
@The Pinkest Pigglet if you think I'm wrong then you missed the point oh that video. Cause I've seen it
If they do something tropish to one gender they do it to another gender too
The same can be said of the "macho man" and "alpha male" tropes. It's fine for men to be emotional and to get upset and to cry just as Jono and Alan show us time and time again. It's just nice to see people writing people in general and people just existing instead of focusing on the very few differences between humans and what they consider "gender" to be.
I need you to go watch two videos titled how arcane writes women and how arcane writes men and understand that you are very wrong about this, arcane does something better than it kre gender, it acknowledges it and dramaticizes it.
@Ribotto Studios I love that video. Schnee writes such fantastic analysis.
No matter where or in what context, that reunion scene gets me choked up. The emotional core of the series is as real as anything ever put on film.
I never knew why i felt so connected to Vi until you commented on her guilt like that. I'm so happy you took a chance and did your video about it
I'm interested in your Silco analysis. I thought he was going to be one-note, but he showed a ton of depth. He did what he thought was best, despite knowingly doing so much harm, and his care for Jinx was about accepting her without needing her to change or be less dangerous. Yes, he fed her insanity, but he also treated her in a way that (he might say) had worked for him, and he didn't hinge his acceptance of her on whether she followed his directions or not... he kind of always just accepted her. He wanted her to become the fullest version of herself, in a world that doesn't seem to have therapists or people able to help a person who's suffered a psychotic break. It wasn't good, it wasn't... bad, per se, but it was definitely, wonderfully, complex. Despite the fact that the most tender pieces of his relationship with Jinx came into focus in a dying conversation, I'd say he had a great arc.
that last scene just gets me every single time. I don't think I've had a psychotic episode before but I've been in some dark places and you should never forget what a person is capable of even if they're a good person. sometimes that "being a good person" is the thing that can push you over the edge bc if you abandon that you might not have to feel so much guilt anymore. maybe if you can just be apathetic it won't hurt. maybe if you just destroy whatever hope there is left of you there will be no more pity or sympathy, then you can't hurt you're loved ones because they don't love you anymore. and that's a very dangerous mindset that's surprisingly easy to slip into if you've fallen far enough into that abyss. it's not a fun place to be in.
I LOVE this show. Seriously top tier writing, pacing, characters. There's so many layers to go through this series, and man did this show break me. Over and over again.
I've watched it six or seven times
Actually that first scene you guys spoke about (Jinx getting second on the scoreboard) is more about how Powder is still feeling like she's not good enough, not adequate despite being so much older and stronger than before. When Vi hit her, she wasn't upset at the punch but screamed asking why Vi decided to leave her behind (when they left to get Vander) but not the moment she was walking away. She is still stuck on that moment where Vi said Powder needed to stay back, that she wasn't ready and getting 2nd on the scoreboard was almost like it was still Vi telling her that she wasn't ready.
I am so happy that you've gotten to take this one in. It is... such a powerful show, and so heartbreakingly beautiful. I still haven't... and probably never will fully forgive them for getting Sting to sing that final song. It just rips my heart out every time I hear it. I love and I hate this show for hitting several points of resonance with my life here recently. There's been a lot of stress and struggle within my household over the last year and a half, which I'm not going to go into any detail on. I will say that it has taken a powerful toll on my wife, my daughter, and myself, and we're... kind of having to come to terms with the ways that it has changed each of us, and ourselves. It's not pleasant, it's not easy, but we're working on staying sane, each and every one of us. Heh... for a good while, Enemy was a song very much forefront in my mind. It kind of felt like everyone wanted to be my enemy because of how badly the stress was eating me and my mental processes alive. Thankfully, I'm getting back into the office, getting more time to breathe away from the stressful situation, which has helped a lot, and the rest of us are finding our own relief from the stressful situation. I do have hope that it will help.On a lighter note, I would be 100% down for some psychology of a hero looks at characters like Vi and even Ekko. I've really enjoyed the videos that Schnee has been putting out since the show came out. His video on Ekko in particular really just... hit home very powerfully, and catapulted him to being my favorite character in the show XD
12:27I looked at the psychological analysis of the Jinx's trauma, it's not in English, because I am not an American, but as far as I understood from there, Jinx is a protective state of Powder from the danger and pain that close people inflict on her with their presence, reminding her of her trauma (betrayal). Did Powder die? (Neither Zico nor Violet are wrong.) Powder, like Jinx, are both parts of a whole personality, but if Violet cannot accept that part of her that appeared due to trauma. then Silko does not want to recognize and delve into the problems of Powder, because she reminds him of his own trauma, of the betrayal that happened to him, which is why he wants to leave only Jinx, and turn off the part of Powder's personality, which has attachments to her sister, by hanging labeled "weak", Silko just shut down Powder when she tried to share her feelings about what worries her (sister and her past).That's why the moment with the chair is so important. Because in fact there was no correct answer, because it is essentially the same person, whatever you call her, just in different states. And what I especially liked was how the one who analyzed Powder's trauma said that he would have answered Jinx at that moment, namely: "Only you decide which chair to sit on".
This is very like how my Schizophrenic grandmother was when she started getting into arguing with the spirits. I myself saw them once, but didn’t know if those spirits tormented her or just were stuck to her bc trauma.All I knew was that this poor woman needed help and we didn’t know how to help. She died in a nursing home in a dementia-addled state. So when I see someone like Jinx, I sympathize and can empathize only so far. That experience is torture to who sees and hears, so please if you see someone having a breakdown, give them enough space to get themselves together but make sure that they won’t hurt themselves trying to shut the voices up. I think I was my grandmother’s fav because I validated her and brought her back, even though I was a child. She always had a smile for me, no matter how psychotic she got. Never got an answer as to why though.
I have to say, Jonathan is amazing. I can see why he makes an amazing therapist. The scene in front of the broken mirror, when Jynx is having a psychotic break, and he just looks heart broken and says, "Omgosh that would be exhausting" I don't have psychosis but I have PTSD and it feels so cathartic to hear someone understand. I really want to get into the break down and how well you both analyize the masterpiece that is Arcane but that moment touched me and I had to type this out while it was still raw. Thank you both for being so amazing. And thank you Jonathan for being such an empathic human being. The world needs more people like you both.
Oh my God, yes. Like I'm the same as you and when he said that I just said, 'Yes, it is exhausting' without me realizing it and suddenly I was like, 'Wait, I dob't even have psychosis.' but reading your comment....ah yes, the PTSD in me just really made me saying it without me knowing....
PTSD is exhausting. Can confirm.
I would love to see an evaluation of the Dragon Prince. I know it might have too many episodes but for the dynamic surrounding the protagonists is pretty decent.
Sooo psyched for your video on Silco! He’s endlessly fascinating as a villain, and just as a person in general. Perhaps especially just as a person.
I want to see Alan dissect the Ekko vs Jinx battle. Even as short as it was, it was one of the best fight scenes I've seen in a long time. Obviously not for the fight choreography, but for the story it tells in like the span of a few minutes
Please do a Psychology of a Hero episode on Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier.
Unfortunately at the end, Jinx didn't actually choose to save Vi. You'd notice that throughout the show, sometimes when the voices get to be too much, she simply lashes out and unloads her gun at them to make them go away.What's heartbreaking is that in Vi's efforts to bring back Powder, she only made the voices louder for Jinx to where she unloaded her gun blindly again to make them go away. Silco was just who happened to be caught in the crossfire this time, cementing in Powder's mind that she is, in fact, a Jinx. That no matter what she does, all she'll end up doing is getting the people that she cares about killed. And with that, all that's left of Powder finally dies and she fully steps into Jinx.This show is an absolute masterpiece.
@Flight Recorder "Takes time" in this regard meaning .5s to a person undergoing a mental breakdown?
@tompatompsson Not with a double action revolver. Which is what I believe it to be. You have to pull the hammer back with your trigger, which takes time and makes an audible click
@Flight Recorder No. It takes about 0.01 seconds from the trigger to the shot. There is literally 0% chance that she understands what happens and acts. She simply hears the sound of a trigger and her immidiate response is to fire at it.
I disagree. To me, it's quite clear that Jinx was protecting Vi from being shot. She still knows whats around her, she realizes that they cocking sound from her gun must be in Silcos hand, and that he is clearly trying to shoot Vi. Jinx goes to protect her sister in the only way that makes sense in that moment, shooting the threat, and then realizes afterwards that shooting the threat meant killing Silco.
@Belbe that scene need to be rewatch slowly to see clearly. Jinx shoot Silco and then Silco shoot Vi but missed because he got shot and then a round of bullets shot through Silco‘s chair.
I've really been hoping for a further exploration of the evolution of Loki's character. Y'all said you'd do the series, but I haven't seen it yet 🤔
@Crispy bacon it’s wild that you’d feel the need to tell me that. I know they’ll get to it when they get to it. Good god man.
@Crispy bacon No way!!! I never would have guessed!I’m just teasing, chill out.
It’s almost like they are doing other shit? Crazy ik
As someone whos very young and coming out of a very toxic relationship, hearing you talk about guilt and loving people as they change is so real on so many levels. I do have my own therapist but coming hear and listening to you guys break things down is like a second therapy. Thank you guys, keep doing what you're doing.
I'm so glad you watched this series. It's so good! What I see in this is that Vander and Silco both refused to address Powders behaviors in a constructive way. Both her father figures failed her. But it's a safer feeling for Jinx to blame Vi. Because even as adults we trauma survivors can have a hard time believing our own parents damaged us or let us be damaged.
One of the most fascinating themes of this first season was embodied by Silco's quote 'Has anything ever been so undoing as a daughter?' Think about it - yes, Vander died trying to save Vi and yes, Silco died as a result of Jinx, but it doesn't end there. Marcus wanted to go straight but couldn't because of Silco's ever-present threat towards his daughter. If Caitlyn hadn't ever gotten involved, Jinx wouldn't have (apparently) killed her mother. The elder Medarta flat out said that she exiled Mel because she couldn't bear to look at her when she made the decisions she had to make, that she made her weak. Singed is clearly driven by thoughts of his daughter and there are other examples besides... it'll be interesting to see if season 2 adds another verse to that refrain, bringing things full circle.
I thought he said “endearing”